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Canal-Meadows (STILL NOT finally!)

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  1. Shivas
    Member

    There's a lot of good in this. Nice to see responses from the original consolation being heard re. the need for a contraflow up Valleyfield and a solution to the conflict at the NMW - Leven Terrace toucan. I'd also like to see the contraflow on Leven Terrace extended up to the Links.

    The big prize (from my point of view as the parent of kids at Tollcross Primary) is the Home Street toucan and segregated path, but perhaps i'm naive to think that this might happen before my kids finish there. My response will focus on the need to integrate the path with the school - cycling infrastructure on Lochrin Terrace and West Tollcross is to remain non-existent under these plans - the path gets tantalisingly close to the school gate without actually providing a safe route to it.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  2. davecykl
    Member

    One of the PDFs shows an absolutely horible pinch point on Home St just north of the Cameo Cinema, where they propose to relocate a pedestrian crossing, but narrow the road sharply to one lane each way there: crunch!

    Yet one of the other PDFs shows the road width there remaining at around 3.5 lanes wide in total, which I think is safer for cycling as it does not force you to try to merge into lane 2 in front of faster moving traffic.

    Which is it that they are actually planning to do?

    Something else that seems strangely absent seems to be a 'cycle slip lane' to allow northbound cyclists towards Tollcross to use the cycleway northbound but then merge back onto the road without needing to stop (as at Mayfield Rd / West Mains Rd junction) and give way out of Lochrin Place. The alternative would be to remain on the roadway on Home St, but with only 1 lane northbound, that won't be fun in busy traffic. There seems to be no consideration that cyclists may want to use the infrastructure but to travel in any direction other than for the route's primary purpose.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  3. Arellcat
    Moderator

    There seems to be no consideration that cyclists may want to use the infrastructure but to travel in any direction other than for the route's primary purpose.

    See also the Edinburgh Park to Balgreen bicycle expressway, which is remarkably difficult to join or leave at any point between its extremities.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  4. daisydaisy
    Member

    Reminder that this is on tomorrow

    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/meadows-to-canal-cycling-and-walking-improvements/

    It is, indeed, an "(ahem), initial" consultation.

    Drop ins at Akva 11am-7pm on 29th and 30th April.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  5. toomanybikes
    Member

    Go in with a megaphone blaring "just bloody build it you bloody idlers!"?

    Posted 5 years ago #

  6. Snowy
    Member

    I think this might be appropriate.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  7. wingpig
    Member

    They say they've borne responses to the previous initial consultation in mind. The closure of Tarvit St at the King's end (except for loading in the evening) instantly makes the King's junction far less evil. The current ped/cycle conflict pinch point at the West end of the Meadows would be fixed. Location Place would be easier to exit than enter, though.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  8. chdot
    Admin

    “The closure of Tarvit St at the King's end“

    That’s good.

    When this whole process started (YEARS ago) this was ‘not possible’.

    I pointed out that it had recently been shut for several weeks for ‘road works’.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  9. Harts Cyclery
    Member

    Went to the drop-in. Which was superb because it was in a pub and I had a burger and a pint.

    I spoke to the officers at length. I think the bi-directional bit on Home Street is rubbish (1. because it's bi-directional and 2. because it is narrower than the Council street design guidance). However, I'm not going to die in a ditch over it and I broadly support this scheme. Provided that there's some sort of assurance that the bi-directional could become 1 half of uni-directional cycleways on Brunstfield Place and Home St, in due course.

    There was also discussion that the officers are minded to just have the no-entry sign at the end of Drumdryan St, not half-way along. So you can expect that to change.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  10. Ribena
    Member

    I also went, but had neither a burger nor a pint. I also think the bidirectional bit is a bit rubbish but I broadly like the proposal. I also like the precedent that will be set on Brougham Place for segregated paths each side - hopefully that pattern gets replicated.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  11. steveo
    Member

    Morningsider commented 4 years ago..

    Looks pretty good - my only gripe is that construction isn't due to start until early 2016!

    Checks calender... Ah optimism.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  12. Arellcat
    Moderator

    I confidently predict that they will have demolished that whizbang spiral-topped hotel that was Edinburgh St James and be busy constructing its replacement, before we get a safe cycling link between the Meadows and the canal.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  13. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @Arellcat

    Bitterly amusing and probably true.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  14. Frenchy
    Member

    Dropped past the now. Very quiet, which I wasn't expecting.

    Officers said most common feedback was "Just get on with it".

    Posted 5 years ago #

  15. chdot
    Admin

    “

    Lyn Sloman highlighting a major issue with stop start funding cycles of 3-4 years. By the time staff and designs are in place there's just 9 months left, by which time good staff have already started looking for their next job

    “

    http://pic.twitter.com/b8uTE1vJEP

    Posted 5 years ago #

  16. LaidBack
    Member

    Went with Mrs LB to the event. CEC guy was fencing questions from a cyclist concerned that the short bit of two way cycleway between King's Theatre junction and Lochrin Place did not improve cycling access to Lothian Rd.
    Complex of course as basically the journey north from Bruntsfield has options for less experienced riders to branch off at links or Valleyfield.
    I might be wrong but would imagine that most cyclists making it all the way to the junction with Princes St are 'take the lane' specialists and unlikely to divert onto 50 yards of segregated cycleway - will be often tricky with oncoming cyclists coming out of Lochrin Place.
    Valid though to point out that cyclists will interact with new route from many directions. Many will just head down Gilmore Place to go straight ahead onto Tarvit. Others will come down Bruntsfield to turn right into Tarvit so should have a protected turn right lane. From what I could see the ASL had been brought backwards at Gilmore to avoid buses cutting corner.

    Gave it 7 out of 10 but like everyone else we need to get this sorted and onto next 100 yards or so.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  17. neddie
    Member

    Reminder:

    Consultation closes 31st May 2019

    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/meadows-to-canal-cycling-and-walking-improvements/

    Posted 5 years ago #

  18. Stickman
    Member

    Read this update on cycle projects and weep.

    Original planned completion 2016; current planned date December 2021.

    https://twitter.com/cllrchasbooth/status/1123697463586693120?s=21

    Posted 5 years ago #

  19. CycleAlex
    Member

    For some reason I took this line in the consultation to mean it'll be finished early 2020: " It is estimated that we will be on the ground in Spring of 2020."

    Think I'll have a little cry now

    Posted 5 years ago #

  20. crowriver
    Member

    Glad to see Powderhall Railway path in there as a project, even if I might not live long enough to see it open...

    Posted 5 years ago #

  21. Frenchy
    Member

    Original planned completion 2016; current planned date December 2021.

    Officer at the exhibition on Tuesday was more optimistic than that - definitely mentioned "18 months". The TRO process takes up 12 months of that, apparently.

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  22. Stickman
    Member

    @frenchy: the Dec 21 date has built in contingency for legal challenges.

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  23. crowriver
    Member

    21 December? If I wore hats more often I'd say one would be getting served for dinner if anything is completed on the winter solstice, in the midst of Saturnalia.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  24. toomanybikes
    Member

    CCWEL 2021-2023?!
    So nothing is ever actually going to improve is it.. Delays will just be endless

    Posted 5 years ago #

  25. neddie
    Member

    It would help if they just implemented the City-Centre Transformation in the first instance as a series of modal-filters, pedestrianisation and bus-gates.

    They should forget about rebuilding the whole of George St in fancy expensive flagstones and fancy trees until they've put the filters in.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  26. crowriver
    Member

    "They should forget about rebuilding the whole of George St in fancy expensive flagstones and fancy trees"

    They should, but my hunch is they won't.

    The whataboutery from concerned local residents and businesses will include disabled access, church goers arriving to worship in 4x4s, and deliveries/loading.

    So we can look forward to a brunch of cracked flagstones, dead trees and articulated lorries, vans and New Town tractors parked up all over the shared footways (sorry, I meant legitimate loading activity being carried out in accordance with the pavement parking (legalisation for 20 minutes) bill).

    Posted 5 years ago #

  27. Rosie
    Member

    @neddie - The "Place-making" is a sweetener to the bitterness of losing car-space. You can see it happening in Roseburn - though there is certainly a case for making the area around the Old Colt Bridge handsomer.

    People were pointing out that Extinction Rebellion closing bridges to traffic was instant place-making that cost nothing as compared to the Garden Bridge which has cost millions without even being built.

    Janette Sadik-Khan did that kind of place-making in New York very cheaply with deck-chairs and planters. You can tart it up later.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  28. neddie
    Member

    @neddie - The "Place-making" is a sweetener to the bitterness of losing car-space.

    Is there no end to the subsidies and paraphernalia dedicated to the private motorist?

    Posted 5 years ago #

  29. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Drivists as modern-day (stereotypical) Vikings. Once the Danegeld is paid, we can never be properly free of the Dane. Discuss.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  30. crowriver
    Member

    BTW autocorrect placed "brunch" in my post above instead of what I intended as "burach"!
    (Nearly did it again!)...

    Though brunch is probably a bit more George Street right enough. So I'll let it lie, autocorrect. Just this once.

    Posted 5 years ago #

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