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Canal-Meadows (STILL NOT finally!)

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  1. Stickman
    Member

    Is it a “new” consultation or the one required for the final published TRO?

    If the latter, then it’s a necessary evil.

    If the former, then continue screaming.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. CycleAlex
    Member

    New (AHHHHHHH) - the wording made it sound like it’ll be like the Balgreen Toucan, initial consultation and then another one with a ‘final’ design.

    e.g. https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-balgreen-road/
    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/cycle-walk-design-balgreen-rd-fd/

    However, unlike Balgreen this is going to need TRO/RSO nonsense and I sadly know of one person who I believe will object.

    :(

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. CycleAlex
    Member

    Expect the updated designs on the consultation hub shortly. I’m told the delay is due to Sustrans pushing for some fairly big changes including constructing the project with temporary materials.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. jonty
    Member

    Huh - why? Is it to avoid some of the legal process/speed construction up or just to save cash?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. CycleAlex
    Member

    Apparently so that it can be tied into any City Centre Transformation work on Lothian Road/Earl Grey Street.

    Considering that's probably ten years away it would be nice to see proper materials used!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. Morningsider
    Member

    Don't you remember when un-sustrans (Transport Scotland) argued that the new Forth Crossing should only be made from scaffolding planks and old milk crates until the A9 dualling was complete?

    What do you mean that never happened...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  7. CycleAlex
    Member

    Things seem to finally be getting closer. TRO scheduled for May/June - June/July and external funding is in place according to this doc from the upcoming Leadership Advisory Panel (Appendix 2): https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/s23847/7.3%20Consultation%20Planning%20Report.pdf

    Posted 2 years ago #
  8. Stickman
    Member

  9. chdot
    Admin

    Used route yesterday with 8yo after seeing ToB in Holyrood Park.

    Included pavement riding on Home Street of course.

    Lack of progress on this is beyond pathetic.

    Waited at crossing towards Lochrin Place for a RIDICULOUS amount of time. (Light traffic too.)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Lack of progress on this is beyond pathetic.

    A child who was born at the time SRD started this thread, is now in P2. That is how long this is taking.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. neddie
    Member

    Yep. We do the pavement riding on Home St too. Council haven’t provided anything, so I say ****. IT.

    Pavement it is. Anywhere there’s no safe facility: pavement

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. boothym
    Member

    Cycled this route on the way to Critical Mass - nice ride across the lift bridge, Lochrin Place then got to the main road where I gave up and walked the bike across the junction past the theatre. Parent and child in front of me did the same.

    I thought to myself, this must be that scheme I've read about on here - so obvious that it's needed once you experience it yourself...

    Posted 8 months ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    Just a reminder (from 7 years ago) -

    Looks pretty good - my only gripe is that construction isn't due to start until early 2016!

    Posted 8 months ago #
  14. boothym
    Member

    Is there a CCE award/record for "longest scheme from initial consultation to completion"? (or even just the start of construction)

    Posted 8 months ago #
  15. HankChief
    Member

    Cllr Arthur asked what the problem was with Kings theatre junction so I sent him IWRATS video...

    https://twitter.com/hank_chief/status/1573410653439770635

    Posted 2 months ago #
  16. HankChief
    Member

    And as per his request, raised it with Ward Councillors...

    https://twitter.com/hank_chief/status/1573413076770394113

    Posted 2 months ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    The idea that the Transport Convenor - even a new one (still “interim”?) - should punt this on to the local councillors is just absurd!

    This is a BAD junction There’s a ‘plan’

    AND STILL NO ACTION

    More of an
    @Edinburgh_CC
    problem than a ‘local councillor’ one

    https://mobile.twitter.com/cyclingedin/status/1573420359654985728

    Posted 2 months ago #
  18. Morningsider
    Member

    I think we should submit this thread for the Turner Prize, simply named "Futility".

    Posted 2 months ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    This weekend marks *7 years* since we carried out the Tollcross street audit http://bit.ly/1RjGuao with @TollcrossCC . We partly chose the area because improvements were imminent (so we thought!) from the Meadows-Union Canal active travel project…

    https://mobile.twitter.com/livingstreetsed/status/1573685969752047616

    Posted 2 months ago #
  20. wingpig
    Member

    A colleague who recently took cycling back up was asking how I avoided various unpleasant bits to the west of the Meadows. I mentioned the existence of this scheme but that it would probably not appear before they retired. When it gets to these sorts of lengths of delays it's hard to recall the state of mind when filling in the consultation, the precise tweaks suggested and recommendations made.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  21. CycleAlex
    Member

    Personally I take Lochrin Place if I’m in that area. More awkward if you’re turning right heading to the Meadows but otherwise infinitely more pleasant than Gilmore Place IMO.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  22. Stickman
    Member

    “There are already preliminary plans! Will get back in the morning with a link, obviously subject to funding & would be a massive undertaking (even bigger than George St transformation) but the will is certainly there when I discussed with officers ”

    https://twitter.com/finlaymcf/status/1573419178903863302

    So are relatively minor changes to one junction now being wrapped up with the Lothian Road changes included in the City Centre Transformation plans? Plans which are unlikely to come to fruition in the next decade?

    Edinburgh never fails to disappoint.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  23. CycleAlex
    Member

    I’m not sure if the Cllr there is mixing up projects but CEC AT still consider Meadows-Canal as a separate project. Lothian Road is many, many years away.

    Meadows to Union Canal
    Segregated cycle lanes and toucan and street improvements.
    Developed Design
    Jun-23
    Jul-25
    https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/31382/active-travel-improvement-programme-2019-2026

    Posted 2 months ago #
  24. Morningsider
    Member

    @CycleAlex - July 2025 completion! Not wanting to repeat myself, but it took 10 years from the announcement of a new road bridge over the Forth to the opening of the Queensferry Crossing. Making it considerably quicker than the Canal-Meadows project. The entire NASA Apollo programme, from announcement by JFK to Apollo 17 returning to earth, lasted less time.

    Kind of at a loss what to say.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  25. CycleAlex
    Member

    Perhaps I’m jinxing it but I can’t see any way a 100m of segregation and some crossings to takes >two years. I’m assuming there’s quite a bit of buffer in there. Hopefully status sooner rather than later…

    Posted 2 months ago #
  26. neddie
    Member

    I don't doubt that the long delays are due to most of the council's transport staff being "roads engineers" and they spend all their time tinkering with the infinite number of traffic lights and fixing all the huge amount of motoring infrastructure that motorists routinely break or crash into. The "active travel team" on the otherhand are outnumbered, overstretched and now mired in bureaucracy.

    Personally I take Lochrin Place if I’m in that area. More awkward if you’re turning right heading to the Meadows but otherwise infinitely more pleasant than Gilmore Place IMO.

    Lochrin Pl every time. I'm so fed up of waiting for this link that if I have the kids with me, I take them along the pavement on Home St and cross on the pedestrian phase at the King's. Every time.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    Previously -

    Posted 2 months ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    CH2M now part of Jacobs

    Paul Mathews now works for AECOM

    Andy Mulholland Works for Atkins, after working for Sustrans

    Presume that all counts as progress?

    SO

    How much has it all cost CEC to date?

    How much ‘volunteer time’ by ‘us’, Spokes! Living Streets etc etc etc…

    Posted 2 months ago #
  29. boothym
    Member

    Is not possible to implement this scheme in the mean time with temporary bollards/defenders etc using an ETRO or something? Cone off a lane on the west side of Hope Street, close one end of Tarvit Lane to vehicles, add protection to the painted lanes on Brougham Place...?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    “possible”

    Yes

    Sorry, no

    ThisIsEdinburgh

    It’s SPECIAL

    Posted 2 months ago #

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