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Cultins Road (again)

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  1. ejstubbs
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    @cyclealex: Would be more open to cycling on the road if you could at least tell where it starts being two-way...

    I think it's two-way everywhere except for the short stretch where there's the right-turn bus lane and the left-turn other traffic lane. Certainly there are no "no left turn" signs for traffic leaving the premises on the east side of the road, and there is at least one 20mph sign (haha) facing towards traffic heading southwards from that point (here).

    There is a shared use path sign*, plus a dropped kerb, at the exit from the retail park service yard behind Decathlon, facing traffic heading northbound (here). So I think it's pretty clear that it's shared use at least that far south from the T-junction. There is also a dropped kerb on the south side of that exit road, but whether that is any reliable indication of cycling being allowed I don't know (presumably dropped kerbs at junctions can also be provided for wheelchair users).

    Given that there is no "no right turn" sign for traffic leaving the service yard I think it's safe to assume that the road is two-way from at least that point southwards.

    * Note that it is a "flying bicycle" shared use sign, not the sign for a path with segregated pedestrian and cycle lanes. Thus I believe that any remnants of white linage on the path are obsolete.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  2. ejstubbs
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    @chdot: All sorts of places are marked as CP, including (for instance) Easter Road - which has been mentioned on here before.

    Also West Maitland Street. Westbound, the carriageway is now trams and local buses* only. If you were on a bike and wanted to go that way (rather than round the Torphichen Place/Morrison Street triangle) then you'd have to use the footway - which would normally be an offence unless you dismounted and pushed. (Arguably you couldn't use the "fear of traffic" excuse for cycling on the footway, either, since you aren't supposed to be on the carriageway anyway).

    It does seem confusing, and some authoritative clarification would certainly be helpful. In the absence of such - and regardless of how briefly inconvenient I may find it - I'm afraid that I work on the basis that the designation of a road as a core path does not override traffic law. So I sometimes choose to dismount and push (and personally I'm OK with that).

    * I went to Glasgow on the bus the other weekend. I didn't notice at the time whether it went along West Maitland Street, or round the triangle. If the former then, according to the plate below the "no entry" sign at the Palmerston Place junction, it would have been doing so illegally.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  3. gembo
    Member

    Glasgow bus goes round the triangle. Well always did when I travelled on the Coupon the driver used to punch (10 journey ticket). Early 1900s coupons were introduced for the trams in Glasgow and vwere the second most common thing that got punched in Glasgow. Faces were the most common. Hence the vernacular expression Whit's wrang wi' yoor coupon?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  4. Rosie
    Member

    Ah well, may have to drop my cycling on pavement habit if it's going to get me a criminal record.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  5. acsimpson
    Member

    @ejstubbs, IIRC "local buses" means any which are running to a timetable. A London to Inverness service is ok but an LRT private hire isn't.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  6. Snowy
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    @ejstubbs
    > Note that it is a "flying bicycle" shared use sign, not the sign for a path with segregated pedestrian and cycle lanes. Thus I believe that any remnants of white linage on the path are obsolete.

    I'd say you're spot on: the original signage visible in old photos was the segregated sign, down near the bottom end. So the current shared-use sign near Decathlon is consistent with the deliberate removal of the white line post-tram.

    Basically, pre-tram, only the north section of path was valid for cycling, so it was a confused guddle even back then. Tram works were then used as an opportunity to clarify, er, nothing whatsoever.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  7. gembo
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    @snowy, clarifying nothing is the 2020 way. Over on facebook I clarified the difference between vegetable and butter ghee. @jdanielp thanked me for the clarification. I found that to be very amusing.

    Posted 4 years ago #

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