It all started here!! -
CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » General Edinburgh
"Danger fear over pedestrian delays in city centre"
(11 posts)-
Posted 9 years ago #
-
I note that cyclists are not mentioned as being the kind of people to start engaging in dangerous behaviour when they get frustrated, although neither are car drivers:
"People have been complaining about cyclists having to wait, cars waiting and now pedestrians. We have to get the system right, because if people are frustrated, they’ll start engaging in dangerous behaviour – be that motorcyclists, bus drivers or pedestrians."
Posted 9 years ago # -
Someone needs to remind Edinburgh that its own vision for 2030 is one of "promoting Active Travel with streets appropriately designed for their functions, with an emphasis on encouraging walking, cycling and public transport use and a high quality public realm".
This fits nicely with the Scottish Government's vision for 2030 where "Crossings prioritise people and give confidence to users, for example short wait times, no staggered crossings, sufficient time to cross and far-side visual cues for people with auditory loss and auditory cues for people with visual impairment."
Changing the priority of crossings should be a really easy one. The worst I've seen are the lights at the bottom of South St David Street that sit on red, with pedestrians held on the pavement (or risking it) for up to 10 minutes waiting on trams to go by.
Posted 9 years ago # -
Changing the priority of crossings should be a really easy one. The worst I've seen are the lights at the bottom of South St David Street that sit on red, with pedestrians held on the pavement (or risking it) for up to 10 minutes waiting on trams to go by.
Yes, I was stuck at this one for a couple of minutes last week until I took my life in my hands. I'd say 50 to 60 people stuck there, whilst perhaps 15 vehicles used the junction (albeit including one bus).
Posted 9 years ago # -
Changing the priority of crossings should be a really easy one. The worst I've seen are the lights at the bottom of South St David Street that sit on red, with pedestrians held on the pavement (or risking it) for up to 10 minutes waiting on trams to go by.
There's one tram every ten minutes. Presumably pedestrians aren't standing there looking at an empty road for all the time? There is other traffic?
Posted 9 years ago # -
all the lights along princes street have been re-phased since the tram and are giving priority to tram passage no matter where they are in their cycle. It really stinks and is bad for all other users including pedestrians and buses. The tailbacks around st andrews square are really a joke at times...
The trams seem to me to be causing more congestion and difficulties than they are at alleviating congestion.Posted 9 years ago # -
I was wondering why both Dalry Road - Haymarket and West Maitland - Torphichen had both gone through two clear sequences ignoring my wish to turn right at both last week.
Posted 9 years ago # -
"I was wondering why"
I think you'll find the answer was in the EN article!
"
A council spokeswoman said improving traffic sequencing for pedestrians, cars and public transport was a matter of trial and error.
"
Posted 9 years ago # -
There's one tram every ten minutes. Presumably pedestrians aren't standing there looking at an empty road for all the time? There is other traffic?
Almost nothing turns from Princes Street onto that street yet a surprising number of people do just stand waiting. Some people realise that they can walk to the pedestrian island, some scamper the whole way across. I've sat there through three phases of the lights along Princes Street because of trams and then because of buses completely blocking the junction (I need into the right hand lane to turn onto Waverley Bridge.
I've given up stopping for the lights at Haymarket Yards unless there's actually a tram on the junction.
Posted 9 years ago # -
Almost nothing turns from Princes Street onto that street yet a surprising number of people do just stand waiting
When there's a crowd it's difficult to get a clear enough view either way down Princes Street to check if there's nothing coming. Throw into the mix that there's a filter from South St David St tunring left onto Princes Street (or at least there used to be) that pedestrians can't see because of the position of the traffic lights (causing confusion when the light next to the Scott Mon is red but the filter is green), then I often wait unless I'm sure of where in their cycle the lights are.
Surely the ped crossing green man should be linked to the tram lights so that it goes green at the same time as a tram is passing? Then peds can look on trams as their friends.
Posted 9 years ago # -
All across the city, not just on Princes Street, pedestrians are given the lowest priority and motor traffic the highest priority. The current, so called, Active Travel Action Plan in no way addresses this.
Posted 9 years ago #
Reply
You must log in to post.
posts
