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"Edinburgh City Council to axe 1200 jobs"

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  1. chdot
    Admin

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    UP to 1200 jobs are to go from the city council as it switches to a “Tesco-style” self-service approach for dealing with the public.

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    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-city-council-to-axe-1200-jobs-1-3656174

    Highly topical analogy...

    Posted 10 years ago #
  2. ARobComp
    Member

    Tesco self service style - If you understand it it's great 80% of the time until you get an error you can't avoid.

    If you don't understand it it's 100% obtuse and frustrating.

    SOURCE - Watching people use the things.

    A lof of the second type of person are going to be highly frustrated.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  3. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Given Tesco's current accounting and performance woes, I'mm not sure it's a great metaphor on the council's part.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  4. crowriver
    Member

    I freakin' HATE self service checkouts. Something *always* goes wrong. Gimme a human checkout operator anytime over that crud. Why should I do their job for them? Pay somebody to scan my items, you cheapskates!

    Posted 10 years ago #
  5. Tesco and self service checkout issues notwithstanding, sympathies are with this facing redundancy.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  6. gembo
    Member

    Odd bit of journalism as the source of the Tesco quote is not named.

    I understand that you can use a tablet or similar device to download a book from the library. You don't need to leave the hoise, go to a physical building. Not my cup of tea but is apparently the future. This might be what the Tesco self service quote is about? Personally I use the library bus or my local library. But I am old school. I try to avoid the self scanning things too as pannier does not compute and you have to wait for the person to fix. Real people much better than virtual,stuff.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  7. gibbo
    Member

    It costs an AVERAGE of £20-£30 every time they deal with the public face-to-face?

    Anyone else think this is through the roof?

    Posted 10 years ago #
  8. Nelly
    Member

    "It costs an AVERAGE of £20-£30 every time they deal with the public face-to-face?

    Anyone else think this is through the roof?"

    Depends - that cost per transaction wont simply be the 'hourly rate' of the staff member involved. Total staffing costs will include loadings for infrastructure (the cost of the building, heating, insurance etc etc).

    Also we dont know how long average transactions are - certainly any time I have had to queue for a F2F at council offices, people in front of me seem to take an inordinate time.

    Other people are hell..............

    Posted 10 years ago #
  9. gembo
    Member

    Bit odd to have a quoted range as an average, an average should really be a figure. So I will go for the midpoint, which does seems high.

    However, £25 can be broken down. For example - average meeting with genuine real member of the public takes 30 minutes. Average follow up time 30 minutes? Average hourly rate? (With 25percent on costs). £15 per hour?

    Have made broad assumptions all round but not as bad as the office of national statistics when they tried to estimate money generated in UK from prostitution leading to EU requesting more money off the UK.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    "For example - average meeting with genuine real member of the public takes 30 minutes. Average follow up time 30 minutes?"

    So how is that going to be replaced by 'going on-line'??

    CEC (like most large organisations) could probably do with losing a few more people who hardly ever deal with the public...

    Some will be getting paid much more than £15 per hour!

    Posted 10 years ago #
  11. gembo
    Member

    @chdot. Yes, despite the Tesco metaphor , gradual savings can be made in large organisations like the council by replacing higher paid more experienced staff with younger cheaper staff. if handled well such churn does not affect performance. But bigger savings where staff are replaced by virtual service / interface will affect performance.

    The money that the congestion charge would have generated from 2005 onwards is not available and big savings are needed to pay for big capital expenditure - central office, trams, new schools. The central office could be picked up at a bargain? The private funding of the city schools seems to have stalled a bit? The authority seems to be back paying for them itself, I think? Would need to check

    Posted 10 years ago #

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