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Desire lines

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  1. chdot
    Admin

    "Desire lines are pathways created by many people walking on the same course, creating a common route without the need for a prescribed direction."

    That is being used in connection with an Edinburgh arts initiative -

    "

    What makes Edinburgh a culturally successful city?

    "

    http://www.desirelines.scot

    This thread is more about the muddy tracks showing where people actually want to go (or would if there wasn't a fence, railway, other 'in the way'. 

    Generally they are used more by people walking than cycling - which may be one reason why they seldom seem to be improved. 

    Not that all shortcuts should be formalised and tarmacced -

    But there are places...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

    Canning Street to Rutland Square is undoubtedly a cycling DL -

    So much that the police occasionally stake it out and fine people!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    Meanwhile in London, open the gate -

    and 'pave' the way -

    Posted 9 years ago #
  4. cb
    Member

    Desire Lines. Not to be confused with Happy Trails.

    There was a previous thread:

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8490

    Posted 9 years ago #
  5. AKen
    Member

    I hate cycle facilities that have clashing carpets,

    Posted 9 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    "There was a previous thread:"

    Ah yes, I should have looked!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    Any infrastructure related DL comments/examples should be posted here.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  8. Instography
    Member

    Between this link and the link in the thread it leads to, you could just go round in circles for hours.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  9. gembo
    Member

    No, you can take a line of your own through the posts and go your own way and if others follow your post then soon the default will be your creation

    The whole of neural network research took this direction once a hidden layer of nodes was made up. Seems to work, a bit like the brain.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    Posted 9 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    Posted 9 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    Posted 9 years ago #
  13. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Need to have another look at Edinburgh Park station. They've cut off the earlier cyclists' desire line by planting shrubs and fences and stuff.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  14. HankChief
    Member

    Do I get a prize for spotting 3 desire lines within half a mile of each other and for 3 different modes of transport?

    Cycle - an old favorite now on Family Route no9 - the dropped kerbs is position so you have to cut the corner


    Desire line by HankChief, on Flickr

    Car - hard to make out from the photo but the tyre marks show that the corner is cut often


    Tram depot entrance by HankChief, on Flickr

    Foot - this has taken less than a year to develop


    Desire line to tram stop by HankChief, on Flickr

    Posted 9 years ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    Posted 9 years ago #
  16. wingpig
    Member

    Lochend park:


    Posted 9 years ago #
  17. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Took a photo of the fenced off bits of mud at the end of the Pinkhill - Balgreen path / access to Balgreen tram stop. All twig and wire fence now, as the trams folks obviously think pedestrians should move in an indirect right-angled manner rather than the direct line between A and B, i.e. the end of a bit of path and the traffic lights.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  18. neddie
    Member

    The twig and wire fencing is to prevent the desire line of contractors vehicles from becoming* stationary there. Not only to inconvenience pedestrians and bring them into direct conflict with cyclists.

    *Sentient beings don't forget

    Posted 9 years ago #
  19. Don't think I've ever seen attempts to block off desire lines last very long. I predict that it'll be flattened within weeks so people can continue to take the shortest, most convenient route!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    Maybe some routes need "reinforced grass"?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  21. wingpig
    Member

    Bingham:

    Posted 9 years ago #
  22. HankChief
    Member

    Balgreen Desire line blocked by this tasteful fencing...


    Balgreen fencing by HankChief, on Flickr
    Blocked desire line by HankChief, on Flickr

    Posted 9 years ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Arts and culture are a vital part of any healthy city. In Edinburgh they are of especial importance: here, the arts and culture are fundamental to citizens’ wellbeing and they are also central to the city’s international reputation and its economic success. As creators, producers, spectators and participants in the city’s cultural life, our unifying belief is that everyone, regardless of age, socio-economic status or background, should have opportunities to benefit from and contribute to creative activity.

    Our collective desire is to put inclusion and participation at the heart of Edinburgh’s cultural provision. That ambition is supported across public and private sectors, within arts and healthcare organisations, and amongst artists and citizens themselves. And if we use our resources to deliver creative education and opportunities for all, we can release individual potential at every level, enabling every resident, as well as every visitor, to share in the city’s remarkable artistic achievements.

    Desire Lines is a dynamic city-wide conversation. A conversation that has produced this call to action: a series of clear aims and actions proposed by the cultural community, to be delivered in partnership with the wide range of organisations and individuals who have Edinburgh’s best interests at heart.

    "

    http://desirelines.scot/DesireLines_booklet_SCREEN.pdf

    Posted 9 years ago #
  24. neddie
    Member

    Edinburgh Park station - spot the desire line.

    Actually quite a good one, as it saves going approx 50 metres x 2 in the wrong direction to get to the underbridge:

    IMAG0962 by Ed, on Flickr

    Posted 7 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    Simple desire lines - as proven by usage (or just desire!) - have been upgraded in places (since 2007) with Sustrans Community Links money.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

    Road closed - this is the pavement -

    Posted 7 years ago #
  27. HankChief
    Member

    I think this desire line may not be with us much longer...

    Desire line's days are numbered by HankChief, on Flickr

    Posted 7 years ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    Posted 6 years ago #
  29. HankChief
    Member

    Cockburn Association looking for examples of desire line. Fill ya boots

    https://twitter.com/thecockburn/status/1048148249209724928?s=19

    Posted 5 years ago #
  30. unhurt
    Member

    Timely & rather nice article on just this topic: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/oct/05/desire-paths-the-illicit-trails-that-defy-the-urban-planners

    "Desire paths have been described as illustrating “the tension between the native and the built environment and our relationship to them”. Because they often form in areas where there are no pavements, they can be seen to “indicate [the] yearning” of those wishing to walk, a way for “city dwellers to ‘write back’ to city planners, giving feedback with their feet”."

    Posted 5 years ago #

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