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Donaldson's path

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  1. kaputnik
    Moderator

    From flicking through some of the bumph, I think they're under the delusion that they are designing Versaille for Louis XIV.

    The traffic / transport section (Chapter 7) is from file "13) design + access statement" (last page only) onwards.

    The pertinent text is here;

    Traffic Management
    Cycle Route / Permeability
    The current consented scheme, as a condition of consent, required the formation of a DDA (grade) compliant cycle / pedestrian link running east - west through the site, entering at the north east corner at its junction with Magdala Crescent / Douglas Crescent and exiting at the north west corner at its junction with Wester Coates Aveneue.
    The line of that aspirational route is shown in the local development plan as illustrated opposite.
    The practicality and deliverability of such has been thoroughly interrogated through a detailed topographical review of the site at key proposed entry and exit points at north east and north west corners, as well as along the northern boundary edge. The conclusion of such has been that the implementation of a safe / DDA compliant route, without the introduction of significant new infrastructure, is unfortunately technically un-viable. The level differences, between existing external GL’s and the site, particularly at the north west corner are particularly onerous. The northern edge of the site is also made up predominately of infill material at its edge, and near sheer along its eastern half.
    The details of such have been the subject of pre application consultation with CEC’s cycle team, and the constraints understood and accepted by all parties. In lieu, an alternative strategy was mutually agreed, with the proposed formation of an access point on the western boundary, with pedestrians and cyclist using and moving through the site in the same way as residents. This was based on acceptance that the most likely route / desire line through the site was from a new western opening to the south eastern corner gate. A new opening to the west would also provide a convenient route for residents of the proposed development to access the Water of Leith path and the Roseburn off-road cycle network. This agreed strategy is illustrated on the plan opposite, with the new access point being controlled by the developments Facilities Management Company, with the gate generally remaining open, and CEC notified in advance of any planned closure. The Management Company would work with Community Police officers and Community Council to monitor use of the access and any associated issues.
    Following the agreement and development of this access strategy, it has been brought to the applicants attention that the land strip immediately to the west of the site boundary, previously understood to be in CEC ownership, is in fact in private ownership, making the delivery of this access route, over third party land, un-achievable at present.
    The current position, is that the applicant supports this strategy and is happy for the future implementation of such in the event that the land ownership and associated public access right issues can be resolved.
    Refer also Appendix. Transport Statement, for further detail.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. wingpig
    Member

    "so no through route"

    All the more reason for the expected proposal for the two-way segregated cycleway all along the front of it to not be watered-down.

    Will residents even know that there's a riverside path behind them and a ped/cycle path fifty metres west when they're restricted to entry/exit the front gates, preferably in a shade-windowed urban light cruiser?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. kaputnik
    Moderator

    So basically "building a cycle path is technically far too difficult (although renovating and repurposing one of Edinburgh finest and largest listed buildings, isn't), so we'll put a hole in the wall at the west side, but we won't because we pretended the council owned the land when we said we'd do this and now we've miraculously found that they don't, so peasants you can keep out."

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. Chug
    Member

    So the issues are in the northwest corner, but the access is to be on the west side anyway? What's wrong with a quick hole in the wall on the east side?

    For "technically un-viable" (sic) I'm reading "it might cost us something"

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    @k thanks for reading through that!

    So CEC/Cycle Team have accepted that long standing plan is 'too difficult' (and/or too expensive for developers) and are happy(?) with this -

    "

    This agreed strategy is illustrated on the plan opposite, with the new access point being controlled by the developments Facilities Management Company, with the gate generally remaining open, and CEC notified in advance of any planned closure.

    "

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. kaputnik
    Moderator

    For "technically un-viable" (sic) I'm reading "it might cost us something"

    I'm reading "it lowers the tone of our exclusive gated community"

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. Chug
    Member

    Does this mean the path is only accessible at the whim of the site managers/factors?

    So if a desire line appears across the lawn on the diagonal from the west access point to the SE gate (likely for ped's at least), the gate could be closed....

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

    "

    This agreed strategy is illustrated on the plan opposite

    "

    Really??

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Following the agreement and development of this access strategy, it has been brought to the applicants attention that the land strip immediately to the west of the site boundary, previously understood to be in CEC ownership, is in fact in private ownership, making the delivery of this access route, over third party land, un-achievable at present.

    "

    Except that CEC could compulsorily purchase this.

    Except that CEC doesn't like doing CPs.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. Chug
    Member

    In other news - A9 dualling cancelled because SG doesn't own every single piece of land required.

    A bit far-fetched maybe, but this link would presumably form part of a shortened-and-safened NCN 1 twixt Eglinton Cresc and NEPN.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    "shortened-and-safened NCN 1 twixt Eglinton Cresc and NEPN"

    Quite!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. Stickman
    Member

    Would be interesting to see how it would fit in with the upcoming consultation on the route between Roseburn and Haymarket...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

  14. Chug
    Member

    Planning permission now granted it seems.

    Planning permssion granted

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. Rosie
    Member

    Still mourning that link from NEPN to Magdala Crescent.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  16. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Earthworks look to have started in earnest around the back of Donaldson's where they are building the new crescent of yuppie flats.

    A 4-axle tipper was waved out in front of me (headed west) this morning by a rather carefree banksman, and I could see a good 3 or 4 other similar tippers queuing up to be filled with spoil to cart off.

    So be aware for increased frequency of tippers in both directions along the A8 as far as Haymarket.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  17. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Day 2 and a second tipper lorry was waved out by a nonchalant banksman right infront of me. He kind of roughly waved a hand in my direction to encourage me to stop. Swift application of brakes required.

    Today I had the camera on, so we'll see later if it was as bad as my mind recalls.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  18. kaputnik
    Moderator

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    Decided on review that there's no way the banksman could have seen me because of passing Citylink bus ,therefore there's no way he was in a position to wave out 24.5 tonnes of tipper lorry into my path.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  19. Stickman
    Member

    As I passed this morning one of the banksmen was more interested in his phone than the lorry he was supposed to be guiding out.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  20. I had the same problem a few weeks ago with the banksman in Roseburn Park, just the point where the temporary gravel path starts.

    Lorry reversing out straight towards me, and the banksman never looked up from his phone once from the moment he opened the fencing to let the lorry out.

    Sadly I didn't catch it on camera :-(

    Posted 7 years ago #
  21. gembo
    Member

    The banksmen on east market street for the new hotel office city square replacing the seamen's mission are pretty good. But they don't stop the drivers ignoring the road closed signs as come on, the traffic can come down. Bit of a nightmare at the moment.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Prices for the flats will start foir a 1 bedroom basement flat at £250,000 and go up to a 3 or 4 bedroom at £2 million.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/business/first-look-donaldson-s-school-transformed-into-luxury-flats-1-4496453

    No mention of path through site...

    Posted 6 years ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

  24. acsimpson
    Member

    This advertorial was brought to you in association with the builders responsible for the Dalmeny Park Slalom Course (tm).

    Posted 6 years ago #
  25. crowriver
    Member

    CURRENT PRICES FROM £950,000 - £1,925,000

    https://www.cala.co.uk/homes-for-sale/east-of-scotland/the-crescent-at-donaldsons

    No path through the site, but there is of course a private access road for sports cars...

    Posted 5 years ago #
  26. gembo
    Member

    'Struth, biggest number of bedrooms - 3

    Despite them being innovative and exquisite. Is it wrong of me to hope they do not sell any of these flats?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  27. stiltskin
    Member

    If they don't have a bespoke bike store built in then I'm afraid I'm oot.
    Interestingly enough it looks as if you do park your sports car outside then everyone else has to drive onto the grass to get by you. Seems odd to highlight this in the brochure.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  28. unhurt
    Member

    No path through the site

    Gated community?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  29. gembo
    Member

    @unhurt, sort of gated yes, the school fence round the perimeter etc.

    The Venetian Style former Donaldson's was replaced by a brand new school with a swimming pool which was over the back towards the water of leith.

    This new school was only there a few years before they sold the site and moved to Linlithgow. The second new school is very nice but not stowed with pupils.

    How can all this be? Well I think they received various bequests over the years and of course we pay for it as Donaldsons is a grant maintained school (I.e. Given money by Scottish Govt).

    Back to the new flats, what is the point of the walls? Ok that is your strip of garden but you appear to be entirely overlooked by your neighbours.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  30. ih
    Member

    Is it wrong of me to hope they do not sell any of these flats?

    There could be some financial issues. The developers planned to build a full crescent behind the school, but they've stopped half way.

    Posted 5 years ago #

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