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"Edinburgh by numbers"

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  1. chdot
    Admin

    "

    KEY FACTS

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    54% of city residents, who work or study in Edinburgh, commute on foot, by bike or by public transport.

    1 in 3 resident workers commute by car. That’s half the national rate (67%) recorded in ScotttiishHouusseehhooldldSSuurvrveeyy20210313

    7% of resident workers and students said they worked from home and another 7% had no fixed work location
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    30% of Edinburgh workers live outside the city according to Transport Scotland analysis of Scottish Household Survey 2012

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    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk//download/downloads/id/5513/edinburgh_by_numbers_2015.pdf (p28)

    Posted 10 years ago #

  2. crowriver
    Member

    So why exactly are the Council planning to compromise bus lanes?

    Posted 10 years ago #

  3. steveo
    Member

    45% of the public speak louder than the rest, who just quietly get to work?

    Posted 10 years ago #

  4. kaputnik
    Moderator

    1 in 3 resident workers commute by car.

    And how many of those are single occupants? Each bus takes ~85 single occupant cars off the road yet the council wants to water down bus lanes.

    Barking.

    Posted 10 years ago #

  5. crowriver
    Member

    "And how many of those are single occupants? "

    If the Spokes count is to be trusted (and why not?) single occupant cars make up between 70-80% of all motorised traffic during peak flow/"rush hour".

    Posted 10 years ago #

  6. Stickman
    Member

    @crowriver:

    My highly unscientific observations when on the bike or on the bus would suggest that the Spokes counts understate single-occupancy car use. Certainly if looking at non-commercial vehicles.

    Posted 10 years ago #

  7. crowriver
    Member

    Indeed, my similarly unscientific surveys of Easter Road lead me to believe that the proportion of single occupancy cars during peak flow is close to 90%.

    Which is a completely ludicrous situation, leading to one long tailback right along the street. The side effects of such needless congestion are the same drivers making dodgy turns onto side streets and impatiently rat running through what ought to be quiet residential areas.

    Lemmings! Lemmings the lot of them!

    Posted 10 years ago #

  8. kaputnik
    Moderator

    @stickman
    Have to say I agree, from my anecdotal birdseye vewpoint of usually watching the London Road traffic heading into town from my first floor window as I have my morning coffee before leaving for work.

    Posted 10 years ago #

  9. urchaidh
    Member

    1 in 3 resident workers commute by car

    That's a bit misleading as resident workers only account for 70% of commutes...

    30% of Edinburgh workers live outside the city

    Including people travelling into the city to work would bring the percentage car use for commuting up towards 50%.

    Posted 10 years ago #

  10. chdot
    Admin

    https://twitter.com/edinburgh_cc/status/600632600047288320

    Posted 10 years ago #

  11. crowriver
    Member

    "That's a bit misleading as resident workers only account for 70% of commutes..."

    What percentage of public transport users are residents? What percentage live outside the city?

    "Including people travelling into the city to work would bring the percentage car use for commuting up towards 50%."

    You can't say that for sure as it does not factor in public transport commuters from outwith the city boundaries.

    Judging by Waverley station pre-9am a LOT of commuters to Edinburgh come in by train.

    Posted 10 years ago #

  12. chdot
    Admin

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-getting-healthier-wealthier-and-wiser-1-3776748

    Posted 10 years ago #

  13. urchaidh
    Member

    From their figures:
    70% of workers in the city live in the city,
    30% of workers in the city don't.

    1/3 of *resident* workers use cars = 23% of all workers.

    If
    no non-resident workers use cars, total car use 23%
    all non-resident workers use cars, total car use 54%

    As you say, the true answer depends on the actual percentage so it's somewhere in between those values. My uneducated/random guess would be that 2/3 of non-resident workers commute by car, which would give us 44% percent of all commutes user cars.

    Posted 10 years ago #

  14. crowriver
    Member

    In order to take a stab at the modal share for out-of-town commuters, I expect we'd need to look at the stats for other local authority areas: West, Mid and East Lothian; Fife; Lanarkshire; even Glasgow.

    I see hundreds of commuters coming into Edinburgh at Waverley in the morning from each train from Fife, and Glasgow.....cumulatively must be many thousands each day. That's just one station: I'm sure there are even more alighting at Haymarket. Then there are stations like Edinburgh Park, etc.

    I'm also aware many commuters use park'n'ride facilities. So part of their journey may involve a car, but it it's be left at Inverkeithing, Ingliston or elsewhere, where they board a train, bus or even a tram (plus a few hardy souls ride a bike)...

    I imagine the actual numbers driving right into Edinburgh are quite small: on this morning's anecdotal survey it would be total gridlock if the numbers were much higher than now.

    Oh and single occupant vehicles were 100% of motorised traffic I counted this morning on Easter Road just before 9am, save for one rather full double decker bus. The street was a full length traffic jam from the top end to well north of Albion Road. Insanity!

    Posted 10 years ago #

  15. urchaidh
    Member

    I suspect your observations are valid for the city centre but less so for Edinburgh as a whole - the availability of car parking is probably the biggest reason.

    My estimate (2/3 by car) was clearly a bit high, but whatever the real figure the council's 1/3 is still misleading (unless the real figure is also 1/3).

    I work in a small office in Leith, there are 11 of us which is hardly a significant statistical sample, but not far off the Edinburgh wide values for the resident/non-resident ratio (63% vs 70%) and the resident car/active ratio (40% vs 33%).

    Act Car
    Resident 5 2
    Non 1 3

    Only one of the four non-residents who works in our office uses public transport.

    Posted 10 years ago #

  16. acsimpson
    Member

    I suspect the availability of direct transport links also makes a huge difference. It's easy to get to the city centre from most out of town locations but if you then need to get a further bus to your workplace it's likely that taking a car will be the most convenient option, especially if it can be left sitting all day for free.

    Posted 10 years ago #

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