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"Ten ways to live a greener life" (according to the Edinburgh Evening News!)

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  1. chdot
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    Leave the car at home

    For shorter journeys consider leaving your car keys at home to walk or cycle, both of which are healthier alternatives that will get your body moving – helping to maintain weight, cut your chances of cancer and heart disease, keep stress at bay, and alleviate mental health conditions like depression and anxiety – as well as saving on emissions. For longer journeys consider car sharing schemes or public transport, both of which are more economical, as well as more environmentally friendly, options.

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    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/ten-ways-to-live-a-greener-life-1-3783422

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. kaputnik
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    Make your house energy-efficient

    More easier said than practically done when you consider how much of Edinburgh's housing stock is tenement (Victorian or "Corporation"-era) and also how much of it held by private landlords for private rent.

    If you go on any of these "green my house" websites, and fill out the surveys, the advice is generally limited to "install a new boiler" (very long payback period, expensive, unlikely to happen in private let), "install double glazing" (dubious benefit / green credentials, expensive, unlikely to happen in private let) or basic draught proofing. Most also amusingly suggest you try wall insulation.

    I've replaced most of our lightbulbs with the new generation of filament-style LEDs, because they are infinitely better in terms of light quality and performance to those compact fluorescent things and in terms of reliability and life over filament lights, but energy efficiency probably wasn't our number 1 reason and at £7-8 a bulb it's not a cheap option up front.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. wingpig
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    "Most also amusingly suggest you try wall insulation."

    We added an extra layer of plasterboard to our flat's external two-foot-thick stone walls and to the ceiling before vacating it to become private landlords. The boiler is now only slightly new but is still considerably newer than the Baxi Bermuda back-boiler thing it replaced. We unfortunately lacked the multiple thousands of pounds required to replace the sash windows with double-glazed conservation-area-friendly equivalents, but there is secondary glazing and draught exclusion.

    There seems to be a large clump of presumably cavity-less rendered semis off Telford Drive having their rendering removed and replaced with some sort of external insulatory cladding.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    "but energy efficiency probably wasn't our number 1 reason"

    Early LE bulbs were terrible in terms of light output!

    They obviously produced less heat - which is fine in places that are 'too hot', but domestically it presumably means 'extra' heat coming from central heating (or other heat sources), so unclear how much energy saved overall!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. kaputnik
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    We unfortunately lacked the multiple thousands of pounds required to replace the sash windows with double-glazed conservation-area-friendly equivalents

    I have a number of the beefs with double glazing.

    For us it would require ripping out perfectly user-serviceable and user-maintainable sash & case windows and binning the whole lot, to be faced with having to do the same thing in 15-20 years when the plastic and metal units have all failed and are out of warranty. Our windows have worked fine for 120 years and no reason why - properly maintained - they shouldn't continue for another.

    Plenty of the sash window restoration companies claim that, properly draught-excluded, a sash window can be pretty close to a double glazing unit and further improved with either heat reflective glass (moderately expensive), conservation double glazing units for sash windows (hugely expensive, price on application, Grand Designs-spec stuff). Over the unit lifetime, double glazing is hugely more expensive than maintaining a wooden window (all parts replaceable and maintainable with some basic carpentry skills) and unlikely to ever recover its costs through the energy savings. Yes a professional sash window restoration is expensive, probably approaching the costs of double glazing, but you aren't having to do it every 15-20 years and once the window has been restored it's fairly easy to maintain it with a regime of painting and inspecting the putty and mastic. The energy footprint of the manufacture of a double glazing unit is probably never close to being recouped either.

    No window can hermetically seal a house that was built not to be hermetically sealed, or the damp will have it in no time. Brick/stone/mortar/lime/render-built properties need ventilation and in the sandstone and lime mortar tenements this is naturally through the floorboards, the doors, chimneys and most importantly the windows. Sealing them up with DG units and silicon mastic isn't as smart an idea as it seems long-term; wood and linseed sand mastic is what naturally compliments the sandstone and lime-mortar construction of the tenements. DG units end up having to have trickle vents to allow this ventilation and therefore can't help but have to let draughts in to probably the same level that a draught-excluded sash window will. Add on good, thick curtains, shutters, drapes, blinds etc. and the difference is certainly closed right down.

    If DG was such a great, money-saving idea, it's likely that the DG companies wouldn't (EDIT - terribly worded) it's unlikely that the DG companies would always be so keen to throw debt at people in order to be able to afford it.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. amir
    Member

    " it's likely that the DG companies wouldn't always be so keen to throw debt at people in order to be able to afford it"

    Not sure about that, there's money in debt

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    The insulation in cavity walks is air. I'm not sure why anyone would want to replace it with a foam that might allow water to cross that space.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. cb
    Member

    When moving house recently we were hugely put off by Victorian houses that had had their sash and case windows replaced by modern units. It just looks awful, although I accept that this is personal preference.

    Sash and case renovation might be expensive, but it makes you feel good!

    Spoke to a roofer recently who told us that they get a lot of call outs these days for suspected leaks which turn out to be the result condensation due to over-zealous insulation.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. wingpig
    Member

    Are cavity wall insulations not wee plastic spheres, to limit the movement of air within the cavity and thus slow down the heat's rate of escape?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. kaputnik
    Moderator

    We had a building at work (well, a branch in Ireland, that the company owned) that nearly fell down because the traditional lime render had been replaced by modern-fangled waterproof stuff. The thick, soft sandstone walls had begun to accumulate the moisture that would naturally transpire from the interior of the building. The moisture couldn't get past the render barrier and as a result the stone began to swell, pushing all the soft lime mortar joints apart and destabilising it to the point where the whole lot had to come down and be put back again in the traditional manner. The bulging of the walls over time was slow enough that nobody noticed it happening until it had already gone too far.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. Arellcat
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    Spoke to a roofer recently who told us that they get a lot of call outs these days for suspected leaks which turn out to be the result condensation due to over-zealous insulation.

    There is a phrase in facilities management: "Build tight, ventilate right."

    It's amazing how often the lime/linseed mortar for sandstone gets replaced with a modern equivalent on the grounds that it looks dirty, shoddy and flaking, contractors not realising that it's supposed to do that.

    And since floor vents inevitably and eventually get covered up by wardrobes and chests of drawers, the easy solution is to simply wait 30 years for the aluminium DG window frames to shift and the seals to dry out, so that they let in some nice draughts.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. Snowy
    Member

    We had our tenement sash windows renovated by a local firm when we moved in, going from almost-falling-out to first-class-operation ever since. By getting the small hidden brush strips installed, they ventilate rather than blow draughts, and the vat rate was 5% on the whole job because it could count as insulating work. Bonus.

    We only use roller blinds, but the flat is toasty. No way would I consider replacing the sash windows - completely unnecessary.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    wingpig, I'm pretty sure the air gap is a good enough insulator on its own. Unless there's convection going on perhaps but I guess it's there to stop conduction between the inner and outer walls. The wall ties should have drip traps.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. crowriver
    Member

    As part of our renovations/extension where *everything* is getting done (including a full electrical rewiring) we are replacing the 15 year old boiler and the 30 year old double glazing (which no longer opens properly).

    Both items surprisingly inexpensive when you get them at trade prices as part of a bigger job. Worth bearing that in mind if you're having some renovation done.

    Posted 8 years ago #

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