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The essential antagonism of Primary Position

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  • Started 8 years ago by dougal
  • Latest reply from sallyhinch

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  1. chdot
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    "Norway (although possibly not a cycling country)"

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    Norway in some ways isn't the best country for general cycle touring, due to it's mountainous terrain and long road tunnels (see Tunnels below). Having said that Norway has given us several of the best and spectacular tours that we have completed so far. If you pick your routes carefully and use the trains and ferries well you can put together a good tour and be rewarded for your hard work with leg muscles like tug boats and some spectacular scenery and stunning views to savour for a long time to come.

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    http://www.cycletourer.co.uk/cycletouring/norway.shtml

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. "Interesting that there's the idea that "people are nicer over there"."

    Possibly applies to urban cycling more. I found Copenhagen to be the most relaxed cycling imaginable. Yes there were a lot of segregated routes, but also a lot that weren't, and obviously junctions to cross. On numerous occasions I was passed by a car then indicating to turn in ahead of me - even the ones that could have turned without any allegation of a left hook then stopped to wait for me to pass the junction. This, I guess, is what I'd count as 'nice', and certainly appeared to be the norm over there.

    I found the same attitude of drivers in Paris of all places.

    Amsterdam was more mixed. Lots of close passing on the shared areas, and even saw a moped rider effectively shove a cyclist out of the way to squeeze between him and a bus.

    People most certainly are people everywhere, but I still think that overall in the UK there's a bit more of a me me me attitude of drivers than there is in Denmark (or the Netherlands, or France, or Italy). Nowhere will be perfect, as your experience shows, but lots of places will be better, and aiming for better (rather than an unachievable perfection) will always contain a certain element of changing driving attitudes as well as decent infrastructure (unless we have a segregated lane beside every single road in the country, with little bridges over junctions).

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. Min
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    This, I guess, is what I'd count as 'nice', and certainly appeared to be the norm over there.

    I reckon this makes sense in a place with a lot of cyclists. If you were to wait behind then more cyclists could be piling up behind/alongside you, possibly in a blind spot. If you pass then stop and have a proper look you can then just turn when it is clear.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. "If you pass then stop and have a proper look you can then just turn when it is clear."

    True, and I suspect that's part of it, but in a number of cases the driver had looooads of time (in the British road sense) to turn in before I got there. And even before anyone who might have come barrelling past me. Hard to explain how oddly disconcerting it was at first!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. sallyhinch
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    I was told by a British guy living in Copenhagen that it's a very stressful place to drive because you can never turn right because of all the bikes ...

    Posted 8 years ago #

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