Perhaps one for the 'inanimate objects' thread. Our fave Mr Soundbite Greig is in there with a list of ways approaches to roundabouts could be improved, before admitting most of the 'accidents' are actually 'on' the roundabout, and therefore might be down to drivers not knowing which lane to be in (or, in other words, not driving carefully or paying attention properly).
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Scotland's most dangerous roundabouts
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Posted 10 years ago #
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I wonder how many of the crashes at Sheriffhall roundabout were 'single vehicle' crashes - certainly all the ones I remember hearing about were.
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"The figures from the government agency Transport Scotland don't include junctions maintained by councils."
With trunk road generally being safer than non trunk roads I assume this means non of the most dangerous roundabouts in Scotland are on the list.
Having said that I'm surprised Hermiston Gait doesn't rank higher. The lane markings always seemed to leave you one lane further over than you should be.
Posted 10 years ago # -
Is it the roundabouts or the people [mis]using them that are dangerous?
Also they are probably conflating "most dangerous" with "busiest" roundabouts; without understanding the level of vehicles using each roundabout you can't put those crashes-per-year figures into any useful context.
Posted 10 years ago # -
"without understanding the level of vehicles using each roundabout you can't put those crashes-per-year figures into any useful context."
Well you'd hope that had been factored in.
A problem with roundabouts (etc.) is the 'traffic flow' design factor.
'Accommodating' peds/bikes is a nuisance/irrelevance...
Posted 10 years ago # -
It's only a matter of time before CCE installs a tactile rounabout at the foot of MMW...
Posted 10 years ago # -
"only a matter of time before CCE installs"
'We' are not that resource full...
Posted 10 years ago # -
It would be interesting to know the splits of casualties (or drivers involved in their creation) according to their frequency of use of the roundabouts in question.
Posted 10 years ago # -
The fact that a steady stream of vehicles will jump each red light on the Sheriffhall Roundabout may also have something to do with it.
Never seen so much blatant RLJ'ing anywhere else.
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Thanks to data.gov.uk, and google fusion, this should be a map showing crashes and casualty numbers in 2014 in Lothian and Borders.
edd1e_h - all the reported injury 'accidents' at Sheriffhall last year involved 2 or more vehicles. the number of casualties seems to be higher than the average from the report linked above.
If the report don't include junctions maintained by councils and is only trunk roads, I'd say it is hardly surprising that most of them have 'long, high-speed sections' on approach as that is what most of the trunk road network is designed as.
threefromleith - I think that some of the RLJ is from drivers who don't understand that having gone over one stopline on green they might be meant to stop so soon after at another stopline with lights at red. And sometimes drivers don't watch the signals as they are too busy watching other vehicles at their sides and/or the exit they are trying to get to.
Posted 10 years ago # -
might be down to drivers not knowing which lane to be in
That's half the problem right there. The inference from Greig seems to be that drivers are super-dumb and therefore need to spoonfed to such a degree that they do not have to engage their brain upon approaching a potentially hazardous intersection.
Surely the opposite is true? It should be made more obviously difficult, so the driver has to stop thinking about his breakfast, stop picking his nose, put down his mobile phone etc and pay attention to what he is doing while he navigates his couple of tons of machinery onto and off the swirling vortex of other tons of machinery. Remove the lane markings. A Place Charles de Gaulle approach.
Posted 10 years ago # -
I am honestly surprised that a roundabout the size of Sheriffhall only has an average 6.4 injuries/year, if I'm reading that right. It sometimes seems there's that much stupidity in a month when you're in town. What would that statistic look like against Haymarket or Picardy Place?
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