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  1. chdot
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    As the influence of the Manchester Guardian grew beyond its Northern hinterland, a new challenge faced the paper under the editorship of AP Wadsworth, who took over the post in 1944. The limited number of pages in the paper, poor quality of the printing and sometimes peculiar news agenda were once perceived as part of the regional charm of the paper. In comparison to the other papers on Fleet Street, however, the Guardian's eccentric virtues often seemed to be outweighed by its peculiar idiosyncrasies: the absence of horse racing, high-handed moral posturing and woolly leaders.

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    http://www.theguardian.com/gnm-archive/2002/jun/06/1

    Then it all went south...

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  2. chdot
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    n retrospect, Corbyn’s leap to being a genuine contender – the latest poll puts him 17 points ahead of second-placed Andy Burnham – is not surprising, at least not to those of us north of the Border, where genuine anti-austerity politics have proved electorally popular. The existing Labour leadership (not to mention the right-wing media) were quick to explain defeat in England on May 7 as the result of Ed Miliband taking the party too far to the left. In fact, Labour lost four million votes not to the Tories but to a populist Ukip that had stolen its anti-austerity clothes.

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    http://www.thenational.scot/comment/george-kerevan-corbyns-election-could-let-scotland-leave-the-uk-in-a-velvet-divorce.5621

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. SRD
    Moderator

    Scottish coverage seems to have improved since election. Guardian now has an editor and a reporter based in Scotland. Shock horror. Might see improvement? Maybe not.

    I think the issue with the bikes etc 'not being a story' as much reflected the specifics of the guardian's Scotland reporter, as anything broader about their coverage.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. bdellar
    Member

    Some of us know exactly how to get from Pimlico to Vauxhall! But I went to school in Pimlico, and lived in Vauxhall and Stockwell...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. gembo
    Member

    @chdot, not sure George Kerevan is quite right if he thinks labour lost 4 million votes to UKIP? Nor that UKIP were anti-austerity??

    UKIP votes had they all gone to labour might have changed things in non labour seats.

    Anyway facts never enter into any of this.

    What is logical is that if there was a deal between labour and SNP that led to independence then labour would be back where it is now? Of course there could be an agreement between labour and SNP that led to another referendum that still didn't vote for independence?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. wee folding bike
    Member

    Scottish votes rarely make any difference in UK elections and don't turn Tory majorities in to Labour majorities so Labour in the rest of the UK could get by without us.

    bdellar, was your second thought on the Lord Sewel thing, "How did he find a flat in Dolphin Sq for £1000 pcm?"? I was right past there a couple of times about a fortnight ago.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. gembo
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    There was talk in the pub on saturday of english marginal seats on the borders going to tories because of dfear of SNP. I could not quite follow that. What was accurate was that the midlands where labour should have won stayed tory.

    @weefoldingbike - I think you are right that scotland voted consistently for labour all my adult life and got Tory until TB broke out and Then if Scotland had decided to vote Tory or Green or SNP TB landslides would still have prevailed.

    THere is a bloc of about 1 million voters in Scotland (I am giving SNP a core vote of 415,000) who shifted from Tory to labour post WW2 and now from Labour to SNP. This is enough (when you add the core to the bloc =37%) to give you all the seats. It was what Labour had from 1970s to 1990s. SNP has it now. Opposition fragmented etc. However, not enough in a binary contest. Holyrood 2016 will be interestig. Voting SNP, SNP will get no more SNP MSPs elected (or very few) as all actual seats will be SNP. The list seats will go to the opther parties. Greens clearly hopeful. Some say you should vote Green SNP rather than SNP Green but I say I haVE NO IDEA.

    Meanwhile as a vegetarian cyclist I am definitely voting for JC. He is going to win in the first round.

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  8. chdot
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    "@chdot, not sure George Kerevan is quite right if he thinks labour lost 4 million votes to UKIP? Nor that UKIP were anti-austerity??"

    Well it's impossible to say who (if anyone) people who voted UKIP would have chosen instead if there was no UKIP.

    It is clearly the case that UKIP got votes that otherwise could have gone to Lab and Con.

    UKIP manages to be different things to different people (in some ways so does the SNP - that is NOT saying that 'the SNP is like UKIP'!). UKIP MPs might well have voted against the welfare cuts.

    It's easy to characterise UKIP as 'right wing party' (which essentially it is) and therefore presume it is to the right of the Tories, but the left-right 'spectrum' is no longer that simple/linear.

    The Labour Party (at least the Westminster bit) wants to be 'the centre ground' and (if possible) just just left of the Conservatives.

    This is because the Lab MPs assume that they won't get elected otherwise. That may be true, but that is because of the electoral system more than how 'right wing' the voters may or may not have become.

    In Scotland the SNP has (mostly) lost the Tartan Tories tag and is now seen by some as a 'left wing party' - and is getting elected.

    Consequently there are those who say 'Scottish voters are different' and others who assert that the 'British electorate' doesn't diverge sharply at the Border.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. gembo
    Member

    Jeremy Corbyn also has the same initials as Johnny cash, John Cleese, Julian cope good but I suppose Jeremy Clarkson and jilly cooper.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. wee folding bike
    Member

    And Jesus Christ too.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. wee folding bike
    Member

    It might have been mentioned before but this page from 2012 has the breakdown of UK elections with and without Scotland.

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/why-labour-doesnt-need-scotland/

    2015 wouldn't have been any different, we could have returned 58 Labour MPs and the Tory majority would have been the same.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. gembo
    Member

    @weefoldingbike - you are not supposed to mention Jesus Christ in the JC game. He is always there, unless you mention him. Julian clary, Justin Chimberlake, John CooperClarke, Jane Campion, Jean Cocteau, Jimmy Choo etc

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. wee folding bike
    Member

    I thought JC was only there if the sanctuary candle was lit.

    It's possible that I may have assumed bi-directional logic when being told that the sanctuary candle was a symbol of his presence. I took this to mean that if the candle is off then he's not there and no longer watching you all the time in a spooky way.

    Similarly I may have misunderstood the thing about eating your dinner because if you don't people in Africa will starve.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. gembo
    Member

    Yes, he is there when the candle is burning, but in a sort of miraculous (almost as if it is all made up way) he is still there even if you blow the damn candle out, I don't want nobody coming over to my table I got nothin to talk to anybody about (St. Joni).

    If you do not eat all your dinner it could be put in an envelope and posted to Africa?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. chdot
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    This is an important decision for the party, the country and the planet, so please get involved!

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    http://sera.org.uk/2015/07/08/how-to-take-part-in-the-labour-leadership-elections/

    There used be "SERA Scotland" involving people including Sarah Boyack, but doesn't seem to be anymore.

    http://sera.org.uk/tag/scotland/

    Posted 8 years ago #
  16. stiltskin
    Member

    There is a funny article in today's Guardian about a Twitter account set up to take the mickey out of Corbyn's apparent lack of a sense of humour. It features the joke:
    "Knock knock"
    "Who's there?"
    "Jeremy Corbyn"
    "Jeremy Corbyn who?"
    "Jeremy Corbyn"

    Posted 8 years ago #
  17. chdot
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  18. Billytheshoe
    Member

    Cyclists' clean sweep for Scotland, London and UK!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    Inc TW?

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    @GrahamAllenMP: Cycling for a Living Wage in 1985,two would be MP's at Raleigh Bicycles,Nottm,Graham Allen and Tom Watson-unchanged!

    http://t.co/WsTFx8lQLp

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    Posted 8 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

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    3 Jun 2006 - The last time I did a bike ride of any length was on the People's bike ride for jobs in 1985.

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    I couldn’t make Wednesbury to West Bromwich these days….

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    http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2006/06/sheilas-wheelers

    (That's 3.8 miles!)

    Ben Bradshaw and Christian Wolmar do cycle.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  21. Min
    Member

    A shame he is not Murdoch Approved. He will be hounded by the press until forced to resign. (prediction)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  22. algo
    Member

    @Min - entertaining interjection by Dennis Skinner here reminding Emily Maitlis she doesn't work for Murdoch...

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  23. chdot
    Admin

    I expect him to (want to) resign in 2019 - unless of course by then the voters seem to think he could make a better PM than the alternatives (both in the newold LP and Cameron's replacement).

    If you want to joust with the bookies, might be safer to select a slate of well known LP members who will leave the party before 2020!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. Min
    Member

    @Min - entertaining interjection by Dennis Skinner here reminding Emily Maitlis she doesn't work for Murdoch...

    Ha, good for him! Seemed such a benign interview too until she stabs him in the back at the end.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  25. cb
    Member

    "I expect him to (want to) resign in 2019"

    Probably more likely than this:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/14/prime-minister-jeremy-corbyn-the-first-100-days

    "Friday, 1pm: Corbyn, hotfoot from the palace, enters Downing Street pushing his bicycle. By now, he has acquired a police escort that, with difficulty, carves a path through the crowds to the door of No 10. “The dark days of austerity are at an end,” Corbyn says, before chaining his bicycle to the railings and disappearing inside."

    What do cycling cabinet members do with their bikes (not lock them to the railings presumably)?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  26. gembo
    Member

    Not singing God Save the Queen, gotta love that man.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  27. wee folding bike
    Member

    I guess ministers used to leave their bike with one of the bobbies on the beat but Gategate might have soured that relationship slightly.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  28. chdot
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    @ReutersJamie: The @thetimes reliably informs us that Jeremy Corbyn rides a "Chairman Mao-style bicycle." Also known as a "bicycle". http://t.co/E3NRHpdcaw

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  29. chdot
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    @RedScareBot: Sputnik momentum RT @higginsdavidw .@ReutersJamie @thetimes awfully socialist things those Maocycles http://t.co/lTfKPIH3oJ

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    Posted 8 years ago #
  30. crowriver
    Member

    Presumably there is a saddlebag for carrying a copy of the Little Red Book?

    Posted 8 years ago #

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