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Why do people hate and love cyclists?

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  • Started 9 years ago by I were right about that saddle
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  1. I were right about that saddle
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    I had some insight one day a couple of weeks ago into the regard in which bicyclists are held.

    I was at the controls of my automobile heading over the unclassified single track road between Garbole and Farr on an eagle hunting trip when I came across my first set of cyclists. Three young ladies behind a slightly grizzled gentleman, all on mid-range racing bikes, wearing lycra. This road is the ninth highest in Scotland and it is extremely steep in parts. I expect some of us have cycled it. There are passing places, but would the ladies pull in and let me pass? No they wouldn't.

    I ambled along behind them, politely past one, two, three passing places. One lady pulls into a turn-off to the wind farm, but her pals keep steaming up the hill at below walking pace. Do they enjoy having me on their tail? Who knows? Any standard issue motorist would be fuming.

    Eventually, their coach up ahead spots me and furiously beckons his team mates (they're in club colours) to pull in and let me through. I give him a thumbs up and he rolls his eyes.

    Later, at Dalbeg right at the head of the Findhorn, I came across a party of four bicyclists - two couples - in their sixties and seventies. They are hugely affable, and engage in great banter. One couple has Gary Fisher MTBs from the nineties. The other couple have Ridgeback hybrids with city tyres. They're planning to cycle up a track I walked up a few years ago and found challenging. They assure me they'll just ride up to the 700m contour and turn right to make a loop. I tell them there was no track corresponding to the one on the map the last time I was up there, but they laugh and say they're up for the adventure. I suggest they may run out of gears and they smile and say they'll push if they have to. Great people, attempting a bike ride that would have most thirty year olds in tears.

    (Eight eagle spots that afternoon, including one white-tailed. They don't call the valley of the river Eskin 'eagle alley' for nothing.)

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  2. gembo
    Member

    I was given thumbs up for going into the bus lay bye in Balerno to give car more room the other evening, no Eagles. I am away up to my high bramble spot now to check how the fruit is. You might get your jar this year, might see a buzzard. We had a big one I think it was Wednesday on tour of Britain.

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  3. sallyhinch
    Member

    Barely any ripe blackberries round us yet

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  4. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @gembo, @sallyhinch

    You are the king and queen of thread drift and I claim my bottle of pectin.

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  5. gembo
    Member

    My not that secret spot on the way to carlops is quite elevated. Tons and tons of green blackberries and a few red/green. However, last week I was eating huge ripe blackberries at the former doocot of the former ravelrig house which is just down the road at average Balerno elevation but in a real sun trap. Elsewhere on forum blackberries spotted ripe in leith.

    Now I had a great wee cycle to check on my brambles. Went out the whang, to try to throw people off the scent. Took the left before kirknewton up towards Buteland and Temple. I then lifted bike over gate and pedalled on towards leith head farm which is a tiny hamlet hidden in very deep bit of WoL. Valley. Quite a plateau, amazing views up to East cairn hill and down to kirknewton airfield. The is all good recconoitering for future trips to Allan Ramsay pub in carlops, on foot. I love that walk. Also a bit of the pentlands, whilst close by, I have never explored before (n,b. Bit of a loop round on fairly new Tarmac before we get anywhere near my brambles. I say my brambles but as Jeremy C can tell, you, all proper tea is theft that is why Marxists only drink herbal.

    After checking on the brambles I rolled along the rig road to thriepmuir and then descended to the smaller scot mid and bought two bottles of Caesar Augustus and one bottle of Joker IPA. Lovely.

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  6. sallyhinch
    Member

    @IWRATS - the thread had already drifted - I contend that getting it back on topic would have merely been counter-drift

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  7. Snowy
    Member

    Quite a few ripe blackberries on Craiglockhart Hill this afternoon, which kept the young 'uns happy, as did collecting the fallen apples.

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  8. wingpig
    Member

    Lots of brambles beside the bottom of the wee guerilla path down from the Seafield path to Seafield Street. Every day last week there were several people parked haphazardly at the edges of the Roseburn end of the Roseburn with their fingers deep in the bushes.

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  9. Mandopicker101
    Member

    Bramble overload last week on the track on the opposite side of the railway line from QMU. Some serious thorns in there too... Miss Mandopicker and I rode up there and picked about 2 pounds worth in about an hour or so. Or rather Miss Mandopicker wandered around looking for wild raspberries and ate them while I endured bramble rash...

    We found

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  10. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Well I had a meal of foraged rabbit and chanterelles when I got back from hating/loving cyclists.

    Take that, bramble minions.

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  11. paulmilne
    Member

    Back on topic, I can see both sides of this as if the cyclist is heading steeply uphill but has achieved a do-able rhythm, then stopping and starting again could be a real deal-breaker. But if they are able to pull to one side and keep pedalling, that would make a difference. Guess it depends on if they are forced to stop and start they might be reluctant.

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  12. I were right about that saddle
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    @paulmilne

    The Highway Code is quite clear on this point;


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    Single-track roads. These are only wide enough for one vehicle. They may have special passing places. If you see a vehicle coming towards you, or the driver behind wants to overtake, pull into a passing place on your left, or wait opposite a passing place on your right. Give way to vehicles coming uphill whenever you can. If necessary, reverse until you reach a passing place to let the other vehicle pass. Slow down when passing pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders.

    We surely can't just pick and chose the bits we like?

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  13. algo
    Member

    It seems that the initial set of club cyclists in this instance were pretty inconsiderate, if not oblivious, but I would agree with @paulmilne that in some cases getting off and stopping cycling can be a pain... so much so in fact that the other day I happened to be cycling in the Pyrenees (from Ripoll to Cambrodón) on a hire bike - a city bike with dynamo etc, and I did stop to let a car past, but given the gearing and steepness of the hill (but primarily incompetence), I was unable to get started again until it levelled out a bit...

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  14. steveo
    Member

    I can see both sides of this on the bike I'd make you wait in the car I'd be fighting impatience.

    As above if you're in a rhythm pulling over and stopping might be just what it takes to mean you're pushing the rest of the way. I never stop/pull over going round arthurs seat until near the lochan with the logic its a park and your not actually going any where, the driver can just wait. I'd probably extend this to a narrow track in the hills tbh. I'd not expect a tractor to pull over on the A7 just because I was previously going much faster.

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  15. cb
    Member

    Personally, if I were the cyclist I would have let you past (and perhaps pulled onto the verge to do so). It's an incredibly quiet road so it's unlikely they would have had to repeat the procedure for anyone.

    On the other hand I know when I've been on the bike that I have felt that I'd be happy for a car to pass me.
    And from the saddle it feels as if there is plenty of room for this (and there usually is to be honest). In these cases I would cycle right on the verge.

    From the driver's seat if feels very different and I'd be much more reluctant to pass.

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  16. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Space or not, I'd expect to have been visited by the police had I tried to squeeze past cyclists on a single track road. It's unclassified and the surface and verges are very poor.

    If I was training there the last thing I'd want is a car crawling behind me with the driver possibly less relaxed than I was. Algo's point about not being able to restart is the only possible exception, but they were running triples and looked fit.

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  17. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    "had I tried to squeeze past cyclists on a single track road. It's unclassified and the surface and verges are very poor."

    I think the assumption should be that there isn't room for a car to pass a bike on a single-track road. I get annoyed when car drivers coming towards me on a single-track road get shouty because I'm in primary instead of bumping along in the gutter *just in case there's a driver who needs that space*.

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  18. gembo
    Member

    this is why I tried to get on to the brambling. Would have thought one of the passing places might have been OK for restart. I had to push up Redstone as pal had stopped in wrong gear.

    Paul Wedgwood tried to sell me some foraged ground elder. I have enough of that in my garden.

    Foraged rabbit?

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  19. gkgk
    Member

    @IWRATS, stuck in the city,I enjoy the countryside imagery, good work, but, for me, the premise of the post is moot. Drivers I know show no sense of cyclists as a group with shared reputation any more than I have a sense of (and internal reputation ledger for) groups I'm not involved with like joggers, vespa-riders, horseriders.

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  20. I were right about that saddle
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    @gembo

    Rabbit can be foraged with suitable equipment. Obviously they do not consent to be foraged, which is not everyone's gig.

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  21. gembo
    Member

    yes I see this clearly now, the third defintion of forage, after horse food and collecting and before the fourth defintion of rummaging

    on the thornier topic of passing places they are defintiely there to allow cars travelling in opposite directions to pass on single track roads but I have also exprienced irate locals getting all flustered if my wife and driver does not pull in to let them overtake us on our family outings in the jalopy. we like to take it easy and soak up the scenery

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  22. I were right about that saddle
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    @gembo

    Surely there's an unspoken obligation of mellowness on all users of single track roads. Pull in, wave, nod, smile.

    In fact, maybe all roads should be single track?

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  23. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    Passing Places PIF Bill Paterson and . . . Ally Bain?

    https://youtu.be/oVgLl7E2hI0

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  24. gembo
    Member

    @IWRATS, yes I hear in Sweden they have these built up roads a bit like the Carstairs Esker except level and everyone goes along at 50mph but if some lunatic BRit comes bombing along at 60mph the volvos all pile down the leveee side a little to let the person who is out of their mind through so they can cause no damage.

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  25. sallyhinch
    Member

    I was assuming the foraged rabbit had been peeled off the road.

    I suppose single track roads vary in their widths - round here they don't really go in for passing places, everyone just sort of breathes on and squeezes past and hopes there isn't a ditch, so there's generally room to be passed. If I sense I've got a very polite or nervous driver who doesn't like passing cyclists without a formal passing place then I'll pull in at a field gate and look behind me in the hopes of encouraging them to pass before I have to put a foot down. If I'm going up hill then they'll have to wait until I reach the top but we don't have long hills and I make sure I do my best Tommy Voeckler impersonation so that they know I'm trying as hard as I can to finish the climb as quickly as possible.

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  26. I were right about that saddle
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    @sallyhinch

    The competition for roadkill is tough there due to the flocks of red kites. Got to fight for meat in the wilds.

    I do like the idea of a Tommy Cooper impersonation to encourage good roadcraft.

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