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"Edinburgh parking charges to soar by upto 33%"

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  1. neddie
    Member

    Do we know if EN commenters

    It would be interesting to build profiles of certain commenters. To find out:
    - if they are consistent
    - age
    - transport modes
    - occupation
    etc.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. gembo
    Member

    Also motorists will be driven from the city centre.

    Driven by their chauffeurs?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. acsimpson
    Member

    Driven by their chauffeurs?

    Or simply driven by their cars. A parked car is even more sentient than normal.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. Stickman
    Member

    Its been suggested that many of the comments are simply clickbait by staffers

    Oh man, can you imagine if that was your job? Going into journalism full of enthusiasm and with ambitions to be the next Woodward and Bernstein. And then having to write troll comments for a failing local rag.

    When they go for an interview would be fun to see:

    - Can you give examples of recent work please?
    - well, under a variety of aliases I've written 200 comments about cyclists not paying road tax and managed to ignore all evidence presented in increasingly inventive ways. I am also particularly skilled in use of the Caps Lock key.

    I think I'd cry myself to sleep at night.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. chrisfl
    Member

    So I'm slightly behind on this thread. I'm sure that I have read/heard about Demand based pricing for parking, from memory I think Los Angeles had implemented it. The idea was to always keep some spaces free, and people could choose to pay through the nose to park or park further away... anyway it is possible to dynamically charge for parking.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. It's like smoking - no matter how high the price of a packet of fags gets, those addicted to them will moan like billy-o yet continue to wheeze their way through 20+ a day, 365 days a year.

    Those addicted to driving will keep paying for petrol and parking to avoid getting around under their own steam or using public transport when they'd be viable alteratives for the journey.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

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    I believe this is the wrong route. It is as if, in the run up to every budget, Edinburgh motorists cease to be hard-working taxpayers and instead become cash cows for the city council.

    "www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/nick-cook-drivers-shouldn-t-be-treated-as-cash-cow-1-3915509

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. Mandopicker101
    Member

    Puir wee lambs - is that nasty big Lesley wumman being horrible? Awwwww. Whit a shame...

    Most drivers should be treated as cash cows. Shock horror: central Edinburgh isn't capable of handling high levels of motorised traffic!!! It's a historic city centre. Designed for carts, horses...and pedestrians...

    Exceptions apply of course, but Edinburgh needs less cars on it's streets, not more. Or shall we just surrender now and let the puir motorists have their way: hello to perma-gridlock, terrible air quality and the return of smog. 'cos perma-traffic is such an endearing look.

    With a city that's a good place to cycle, walk around and possessed of a great public transport system, punitive measures like this are needed to encourage people to look seriously at the alternatives.

    And what's with the 'hard-working' cliche? I thought you had to work hard...else you'd be getting a) a kick up the backside or b) your P45. For most folks, deciding to own a car doesn't really come into it (fair enough if its part of your business). Or did I miss something?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. Morningsider
    Member

    I wouldn't take anything this guys says seriously, after all he claims "I am a recently departed board member of Marketing Edinburgh Ltd – the body behind the hugely successful This Is Edinburgh campaign, which boosted city centre foot fall greatly after years of disruptive tram works."

    Unless there is some definition of "hugely successful" that I'm not aware of.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. Stickman
    Member

    Perhaps he thinks that those who walk/cycle/use the bus are not hard working and so can't afford a car? Complete nonsense of course, but it is for the purposes of EEN clickbait.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    "

    PARKING charges are set to rise by up to 20 per cent in the Capital with the cost in the priciest streets jumping to £3.80 per hour – a full £1 more than it was just five years ago.

    The proposed increases will be agreed later this week as part of the city council’s 2017/18 budget.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/business/city-s-parking-charges-to-increase-once-again-1-4358849

    Posted 7 years ago #
  12. Klaxon
    Member

    As ever, repeated strong insinuation that only car drivers spend money in the city.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  13. Stickman
    Member

    ...and as usual, Nick Cook pops up with his usual "war on the motorist" cry.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  14. PS
    Member

    [Neil Greig] “An increase above the rate of inflation should only be introduced if you are improving the service in some way. I’m not aware of the council doing anything to improve the consumer aspect of parking with extra spaces or new machines or anything."[/Neil Greig]

    The economics of supply and demand would suggest that if you increase the supply of parking spaces the amount you can charge will fall. Perhaps the solution to justify the increase in car parking charges is to reduce the number of spaces available? We could start by pedestrianising George Street? ;-)

    Posted 7 years ago #
  15. Rosie
    Member

    @PS - I agree about making parking highly exclusive. I think we should be aiming at the luxury market. You should be able to boast at the New Club that you parked your carin central Edinburgh.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  16. Stickman
    Member

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/anxious-traders-fret-over-soaring-parking-charges-1-4359824

    However, Mae Douglas, chair of Stockbridge Traders’ Association and owner of The Write Stuff, said there needed to be a long-term solution to the city’s parking issues.
    She said: “Raising the cost of parking across the city will undoubtedly have an impact on potential shoppers. The bottom line is it could put them off as many are not prepared to pay what it costs already.
    “For example, if someone is popping in to get a 
photocopy, at a cost of 15p, they are not going to want to fork out more for the minimum parking charge than for the product which they are buying.

    ...
    “Perhaps we need to look at new solutions to 
parking instead of just raising the price.”
    She said local traders needed to come together to propose ideas, adding: “What about underground car parks?

    Posted 7 years ago #
  17. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/anxious-traders-fret-over-soaring-parking-charges-1-4359824

    Arf! See bolded text below...

    '“Parking in general, particularly in shopping areas such as Stockbridge is a big problem, so perhaps the overall approach to charges needs examined.” Previous attempts to 
alleviate parking problems in Stockbridge, and to help encourage shoppers, wiped out Saturday charges. But Ms Douglas said: “Now residents, and rightfully, park on a Friday night until Monday morning, blocking a lot of the spaces from use by weekend shoppers. “Perhaps we need to look at new solutions to 
parking instead of just raising the price.

    Yeah, like banning parking on Raeburn Place altogether? It's utterly blighted by the parking on both sides. This would free up room for wider pavements to encourage the nascent cafe culture, bike lanes and even genuine loading of bulky items (which is also referenced in the article).

    Posted 7 years ago #
  18. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    You just beat me to it, stickman...

    Posted 7 years ago #
  19. gembo
    Member

    I have a friend in London, who aside from a sudden intense interest in 1950s style furniture from Heals has not been to a shop in ten years. Gets all from Ocado.

    Apart from bike shop. Also barber's. Everything else on-line. Parking must be the least of a trader's worries if they are prniters/photocopy shop. (leaving that typo of printers)

    Posted 7 years ago #
  20. Morningsider
    Member

    Odd that the owner of Caoba (which presumably sells Edinburgh's heaviest scented candles) never mentioned the free delivery for online orders over £40. Problem solved.

    Also - who drives to Stockbridge? I'd be amazed if more than about 5% of its custom arrives by car.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  21. Nelly
    Member

    “What about underground car parks?" says the leader of the Stockbridge Traders

    Where would this be located, and how would this solve the "Stockbridge Parking Nightmare" ??

    I really wonder (like the bampots at Roseburn) if these traders have done any work to determine how and where their customers from. I wouldn't try and park in Stockbridge in a million years.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  22. dougal
    Member

    "For example, if someone is popping in to get a 
photocopy, at a cost of 15p, they are not going to want to fork out more for the minimum parking charge than for the product which they are buying."

    The speaker is of course absolutely right. We shall make the minimum charge for any item £4 if you drove there. Users of other modes of transport get the old price.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  23. crowriver
    Member

    Is this not another variant of the shop owner parking outrage we saw in Roseburn and Leith Walk? In this case "I resent having to pay to park outside my own shop" rather than "I resent a reduction in my spaces where I can park outside my own shop"?

    Posted 7 years ago #
  24. Stickman
    Member

    I'm trying to imagine the circumstances where the need for a single page of photocopying is so great that driving to the shop is required, but not so great a need that a parking fee would be paid. Probably a fairly specific set of conditions there.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  25. Rosie
    Member

    Given the cost of land in a place like Stockbridge has anyone calculated the actual ground rental & what a realistic price for occupying the space would be?

    I can't imagine driving to Stockbridge in a million years. It's eminently walkable to & has a dense residential population.

    Must park outside Fraser's in Princes Street & pop inside to shop for some new trousers.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  26. crowriver
    Member

    Stockbridge also very close to off road shared use paths. WoL path runs right through it, for instance.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  27. Stickman
    Member

    From an exchange with Nick Cook last night, it appears that the Conservative position is for use council tax to subsidise parking charges. I doubt they'll say so explicitly in their manifesto however.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  28. Rosie
    Member

    @Stickman (in a whisper) Most of us do our photocopying at work......

    Posted 7 years ago #
  29. cb
    Member

    Well I will be going to Livingston for all my photocopying jobs.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  30. neddie
    Member

    the Conservative position is for use council tax to subsidise parking

    Thatcher would not approve. She was a great believer in free-market economics - using market forces to regulate supply & demand.

    Posted 7 years ago #

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