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  1. cb
    Member

    This article focusses mainly on plans to run six Edinburgh-Glasgow trains an hour/

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-glasgow-trains-every-ten-minutes-1-4009584

    (Upgrading Greenhill Junction, west of Falkirk seems to be key).

    But relevant to this thread is this bit:

    "
    The Network Rail document also includes another shelved element of the original Egip scheme, to divert some trains via another line for part of the journey to reduce congestion in Edinburgh.

    Some services would run from Winchburgh, near Linlithgow, then via Dalmeny, near the Forth Bridge, to enter the capital on the Fife line.

    That would avoid trains having to cross tracks around congested Haymarket Station in the west end of the city
    "

    Posted 8 years ago #

  2. acsimpson
    Member

    It may still be on time and on budget. But I wonder if their contingency fund covers this:

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/vandals-cause-60k-damage-at-railway-station-building-site-1-4152885

    Posted 8 years ago #

  3. The Boy
    Member

    Either way, I imagine their* insurance does.

    *especially since vehicles and construction traffic are included in the £60k figure which might not actually be £60k.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  4. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Since it's not been handed over from the builders I imagine it shouldn't affect the cost to the purchaser either way? Building sites and machinery get vandalised / stolen all the time and I don't think it's the client who usually pays. Either the builders take the hit or their insurance does? Or perhaps that's not how these things work.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  5. acsimpson
    Member

    Kaputnik, I'm sure you will know more about it's construction than the rest of us but I guess it all depends on the terms of the contract. I assume it's possible that Network Rail are running their own contract and employing subcontractors directly.

    The fact that BTP are involved suggests to me that it isn't simply classed as a construction site until the day of handover.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  6. kaputnik
    Moderator

    It's Balfour Beatty building the thing. I assume it must be already classed as railway land if it's the hands of BTP. I wonder if BTP have jurisdiction on the tram platform side of the new station or do they have to get Police Scotland in for that?

    There's an industry news article here;

    http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2016/06/12/vandals-go-on-rampage-at-balfour-station-site/

    Inspector Lindsay Clarkson said...

    “Unfortunately the costs associated with the clear up and fixing the damage caused is ultimately covered by the fare-paying passenger, which is not acceptable

    Not to make light of the vandalism, but £60,000 is 0.2% of the total £26.5M budget cost for the station.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  7. acsimpson
    Member

    Interesting that the price is quoted as £41m elsewhere. You're right though that it is a drop in the ocean compared to the budget.

    As someone pointed out in the een comments calling it breaking in sounds a lot more extreme than it probably was as the site has an active tram and rail line through it which the perpetrators probably just walked along.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  8. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Balfour Beatty's contract is £25.6M (typo above, not £26.5M). I assume the remainder of £15.4M goes on all the other things like fees, track and signalling?

    It's designed by the same architects whodun Haymarket, so expect a new station worthy of an empty budget supermarket.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  9. AKen
    Member

    The site has an active railway line running right through it so, regardless of what stage the construction is at, it will always partially have been within BTP's responsibilities.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  10. HankChief
    Member

    Not long now...

    Path from the A8 is being tarmacced. The glass roof structure to the left is the access to the A8 underpass.

    And if you look closely, I think the gap in the glazing looking through the station (right hand side of the gap) will give a route from the Gyle to the proposed West Craigs development. This should give a useful route from Cammo/Barnton etc to the Gyle avoiding Maybury Rd. Not sure how interactions with station peds will work though...

    Posted 8 years ago #

  11. acsimpson
    Member

    Speaking of "the proposed West Craigs development" they have now submitted a planning permission in principal application. 16/04738/PPP

    They have omitted to show the station on the map so hard to see what the path will do. The existing bridge certainly brings people to the wrong side of the station and doesn't show what happens on the south side. It might detour to the road from the tram depot and come back to the underpass from there.

    There is a second possible bridge shown but it's location relative to the station isn't shown.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  12. crowriver
    Member

    If you look at the document "proposed masterplan in context", though the (as yet unfinished) station is not shown, the tram depot is. So the "possible bridge' would be parallel to the bridge formed by the new station, which is down at the bottom right hand corner near Saica Pack. Of course the entrance to the station is on the opposite side of the railway to the West Craigs development.....but the 3m wide cycle/footway parallel to the northern access road ramp could take you to West Craigs via the existing bridge. So there is already a road route to the new station from West Craigs which can be used.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  13. acsimpson
    Member

    I assume the station bridge will be no cycling through.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  14. HankChief
    Member

    I can't seem to open any of the planning Docs but this is my understanding.

    The current bridge (due West of West Craigs Farm) on the landrover track from to Gogar is fairly old/rickety and will be replaced by one nearer to the station. The new bridge will form part of a 'green corridor' with a path in the middle.

    The station can only be accessed from the South West side so city bound travellers will need to cross the railway to enter the station and then cross back over within the station.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  15. crowriver
    Member

    Passed through the new station on the train to Fife this afternoon.

    Not really sure why it cost so much to build: it's basically a big shed with a few escalators inside.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  16. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I guess a lot was sunk into the groundworks and also the tunnelling under the A8 won't have been cheap. Agree that the station on top is pretty cheap and identikit looking. Perhaps a little less bare, galvanized steel than your typical Scotrail effort.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  17. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Tram-train interchange to finally open next month

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/tram-train-interchange-to-finally-open-next-month-1-4276758

    Posted 8 years ago #

  18. chdot
    Admin

    This might be the first train -

    http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G83603/2016/12/11/advanced

    Posted 8 years ago #

  19. chdot
    Admin

    Presume passengers know that some trains will be stopping at EG instead of South Gyle?

    Posted 8 years ago #

  20. acsimpson
    Member

    I've not seen anything published or announced on the trains and stations yet. It seems very strange that they have spent £35m on a new station and are running more than half the trains straight through.

    Even more strangely they are charging more for a return between it and fife but less for a single than they are from South Gyle. Given the likelyhood of commuters travelling from one and returning to the other (Me included) this seems like poor planning. So far no-one at Scotrail has been able to tell me which ticket I need to buy for such a journey.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  21. chdot
    Admin

    "It seems very strange that they have spent £35m on a new station and are running more than half the trains straight through."

    Yes/no.

    EG will have more trains than SG does now, SG will have fewer (apparently)

    Some stop at both, expect confusion for a bit, eg-

    http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/EGY/2016/12/19/0754?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

    http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/SGL/2016/12/19/0754?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

    EDIT

    Now I can't find examples of 'fewer trains stopping at SG' I'm sure I did last night!

    Still EG will have a better service than SG.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  22. chdot
    Admin

    "Given the likelyhood of commuters travelling from one and returning to the other (Me included) this seems like poor planning"

    Indeed.

    Haven't looked for a while, but I seem to remember people complaining about all sorts of fare anomalies to/from Fife Circle stations.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  23. kaputnik
    Moderator

    It wouldn't be outwith the bounds of possibilities to ticket EG and SG as the same station; as they do (I think) for Haymarket and Waverley.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  24. chdot
    Admin

    "It wouldn't be outwith the bounds of possibilities to ticket EG and SG as the same station; as they do (I think) for Haymarket and Waverley."

    Yes.

    You'd think there wouldn't be any question of doing it any other way!

    Posted 8 years ago #

  25. DaveC
    Member

    Fife (farcebook) commuters are whinning about the number of trains to Souh Gyle as (they say) trains will stop at either but not both, so not to make a mess of the time taible. Anything to make the timetable planners life easier eh?

    If there is a 'premium' for passengers going to or from the new Edinburgh Gateway, they are just stupid. Why charge more for one particular stop?

    Posted 8 years ago #

  26. chdot
    Admin

    "trains will stop at either but not both, so not to make a mess of the time taible"

    Well looking at realtimetrains last night and this morning I'm seeing (or imagining) different things, so maybe its work in progress(?)

    Posted 8 years ago #

  27. chdot
    Admin

    According to Scotrail app

    Waverley to SG £1.65

    W to EG £2.05

    Posted 8 years ago #

  28. DaveC
    Member

    When does the service start? I thought it was 11th Dec 2016?

    Scotrail is not showing trains running there on the 19th Dec....

    EDIT. Right if you have a the results for a journey setup from Dalgety Bay to Edinburgh Gateway and click the 'later' button if changes the destination from EG to South Gyle. Shirly Shume Mishtake?

    Posted 8 years ago #

  29. chdot
    Admin

    According to Scotrail app

    Dalmeny to EG £2.30

    D to SG £2.45

    Posted 8 years ago #

  30. chdot
    Admin

    Ok, this is just silly

    As posted above

    According to Scotrail app

    Waverley to SG £1.65

    W to EG £2.05

    BUT

    Haymarket to SG £1.60

    H to EG £2.05

    Posted 8 years ago #

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