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when good friends go wrong

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  1. unhurt
    Member

    Someone I've known for years and who seems like a generally sensible, kind and considerate person just posted this in the comments of her own social media update. Worst thing is that everyone else is mostly agreeing that, indeed, it's a good thing the CAR wasn't damaged. Whereas all I can think of is what happens if someone driving 1+ tonnes of metal fails to stop at a junction I'm crossing because they briefly nodded off... I have left what I hope is a diplomatic but clear response. And of course now I feel like I'm being preachy! But, argh! This general notion that it's all just a bit of an oopsie to fall asleep in charge of a potentially deadly machine - is there any hope of changing it? What I really wanted to say, but didn't, is - if you're so tired that falling asleep at the wheel is a risk PLEASE GET THE BUS.

    As I haven't had a proper night's sleep since last Thursday, I momentarily feel asleep at the wheel on my way to {appointment} this morning and hit a traffic island {...} - luckily there doesn't seem to be any damage to the wheel or tyre but I REALLY need to get a night's sleep!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. wingpig
    Member

    "I have left what I hope is a diplomatic but clear response."

    Presumably something along the lines of
    '"luckily there doesn't seem to be any damage to the wheel or tyre I DIDN'T KILL OR MAIM ANYONE but I REALLY need to get a night's sleep! conscience"
    FTFY
    '

    I was unfriended by a former flatmate a couple of years ago for going all cyclist when she started ranting about how slowly cyclists could travel on roads she wanted to drive on.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. Nelly
    Member

    Report her to the police (anonymously if you want).

    Should be ashamed of herself.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Perhaps draw attention to a wee incident in Glasgow when a driver of a HGV 'momentarily' 'fell asleep' at the wheel.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. Darkerside
    Member

    To take a slightly different approach, I lost a good friend when they fell asleep on a motorway in the small hours and left the carriageway.

    It took that to make a whole group of us who were also driving when we should have been asleep realise that it wasn't worth it.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. acsimpson
    Member

    Clearly the lack of sleep has affected her judgement if she feels it's a good idea to brag about her stupidity scant regard for other's safety on such a forum.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. Rob
    Member

    What did you say? Do you think it had any impact?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. DaveC
    Member

    Remind her also what happened to the train near Selby when the Gary Hart fell asleep on the M62 while driving his Landrover.

    If you have any qualms about reporting her to the police, think about how worse you'd feel if she does it again with fatal consequences.

    Sadly I feet the police would take no action as no one was injured. At worse she may be fined for damaging Council property.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. unhurt
    Member

    We don't live in the same city any more and I don't know her current address or registration, so I'm not sure there IS any way to report anything. But I will at least message her explaining I'm genuinely concerned she could have killed someone else or herself, and pointing out that exhausted driving is at least as dangerous as drunk driving (which she would never do, so I feel like there's a genuine disconnect here where she - like many people - feels she was REQUIRED to drive under the circumstances. Which I suspect will be her reasoning as it was to a medical appt...).

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. unhurt
    Member

    Er, obviously I think this is 100% wrong, but I've encountered similar reasoning. Like, "I couldn't afford a taxi" - which I am sympathetic to in itself, but not to the extent I think it's a reason for risking killing people...

    I mean, I've BEEN an exhausted driver when I lived way up north - but I've chosen to miss my ferry in order to stop and have a recovery nap when I realised I was getting too tired to drive safely. Sometimes inconvenience/cost is just a thing you have to thole.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. sallyhinch
    Member

    If you want to change her behaviour, rather than make a public point, then responding privately would probably be more effective. Something along the lines of 'I'm a bit worried for your safety if you're really falling asleep at the wheel. Even if you just pull over for a 15min catnap it can be amazingly effective, but please, please, don't keep driving if you are in danger of falling asleep. Nothing's that important.'

    Edited: ah I see you have messaged her rather than posting publicly. sound.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. unhurt
    Member

    Well, loins girded to send message (delayed by heading home) and I think someone else must already have said something as she's updated to say she left the car at work and got a lift home this evening as she recognised she ought not to drive.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    "as she recognised she ought not to drive"

    Progress.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. crowriver
    Member

    Well this was not a friend, but I experienced a dilemma now relating to a crash I witnessed last night.

    I was walking my daughter to Rainbows around 6pm last night. We were approaching the southern corner of Albert Street where it meets Easter Road. Ahead of us, we heard a car horn sound, and looked up to see a red Fiat turning the corner, maybe a bit fast. The Fiat then mounted the pavement just a few yards away, and crashed headlong into a hefty bollard which was protecting bins and parked cars in a bay. The front left side of the car was caved in, the front wheel arch destroyed.

    The front passenger got out and swore in disbelief at the damage. The young male driver stared ahead, shocked as I called in through the open door that he should look where he's going, somebody could have been killed. As we were the only pedestrians nearby, it could have been us.

    We carried on our way, but on the way back maybe 20 minutes later the car was gone, leaving debris all over thev pavement and junction. As I walked to our temporary flat I noticed the damaged car was parked nearby. Maybe a neighbour's vehicle?

    I briefly considered taking a snap so as to record the license plate with a view to informing the police. However I realised I did not have my phone with me. Subsequently forgotten about. I just looked out of the window, and the car seems to have gone.

    So I missed my chance to "do the right thing"...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. Baldcyclist
    Member

    Not cycling related, but still fits the heading.

    A person who used to be a good fried has started to get all 'UKIP' and he posted a picture of some women wearing burka's on FB with some nonsense saying they shouldn't wear them in this country. Bla bla.

    I asked him if he thought they were on their way to blow up a bus or something, and also if he undestood the irony given his dad is Irish and moved here in the 70's at a time when similar stupidity would have been directed at his father.

    He blocked me after that, hey ho.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  16. Stickman
    Member

    http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/34806219

    Even one of the most skilled drivers on the planet can't drive while tired. Although I am slightly sceptical of his excuse.

    Posted 8 years ago #

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