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Signs and lines to be fitted in Edinburgh city centre 20mph zone

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  1. rodking
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    May I suggest looking forward to what can be achieved rather than look back at what has not been achieved in the past. Why not come along to the conf on Wednesday and find out what has happened in other cities and places saying 20's Plenty.

    Look it ain't a magic bullet, but it is a positive intervention that reflects developing public consensus and opinion.

    It's a new era where local and national engagement can be coupled with light touch enforcement to deliver better compliance and behavour change. Sure behavour change through engagement is a bigger call. Winning hearts and minds is always more difficult than communicating via "buttocks and spines" (eg speed bumps) but in the long run it gives far better, wider and more consistent results.

    Posted 9 years ago #

  2. Klaxon
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    Default 20 limits might seem minor now, but it could be really helpful in the future. Right now it would be hard to lobby for 20mph standards be applied when re-designing roads that have 30 and 40 limits. It would almost be negligent of the council to do so. This pretty much fixes a minimum road width and every other interest is left to fight for the rest.

    Now when redesigns and consultations come around, like Roseburn and it's ilk, we can ask 20mph design standards be applied and there's not much of a counter argument. The safety case was won when 20mph was agreed last year. An appropriate built environment is without question the best way to 'enforce' limits of any speed.

    This can translate to 'as if by magic' several feet becoming available for allocating to foot/cycle traffic that wasn't allowed before.

    Posted 9 years ago #

  3. crowriver
    Member

    "The bottom half of Leith Walk is one of the most annoying places in town to cycle"

    I know what you mean, but I actually don't find it too bad. Partly this is because motor vehicle speeds are low: the zebra and pelican crossings at regular intervals are quite effective at regulating traffic speeds. Also the surface is lovely and smooth.

    The part of Leith Walk south of Pilrig is much more intimidating. The presence of the central reservation strip and relative lack of pedestrian crossings makes it a drag racing strip for motor vehicles - when they're not stuck in long queues that is. Also the cratered surface is teeth-rattlingly poor. Double parking not as much of an issue, due to the greenways and the dual carriageway effect...

    Posted 9 years ago #

  4. neddie
    Member

    Just watched someone go past at over 40mph right outside our front window on our 20mph road (with humps as well, but they are too flat)

    Posted 9 years ago #

  5. slowcoach
    Member

    @WC re your FoI on Police Scotland enforcing 20mph limit, at today's Ready for 20 seminar, a Police Inspector said PS in Fife had issued several hundred fixed penalty notices for breaking 20mph limit. He didn't give/have data for other areas, but it sounds as if Fife PS give this higher priority than Edinburgh/Lothian and Borders do/did. Still just a low proportion of likely offenders but better than nothing, and scope for Councils/us to ask for better treatment too.

    Posted 9 years ago #

  6. acsimpson
    Member

    Any tickets is better than none. If drivers think there is a chance of getting caught then more of them will pay attention to the limit more of the time.

    Posted 9 years ago #

  7. Jester
    Member

    I drove in from the city bypass through Morningside to the city centre last week and noticed that the dashboard display was showing 20mph, in line with the signage which is now in place.

    Posted 9 years ago #

  8. crowriver
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    Living Streets Scot
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    Year one report shows @Edinburgh_CC school streets pilot is helping kids walk to school

    https://t.co/S95VPiog1T

    From the report (link to download PDF above), my emphasis:

    3.1 Issues and suggestions were also provided through initial engagement exercises, and follow-on statutory consultation exercises, as well as via service requests and correspondence received from residents and the school community. The main themes to emerge through stakeholder feedback were (in priority order):

    - road restrictions will not be/are not obeyed unless the police are present: 223;
    - the problem will move/has moved elsewhere: 142;
    - School Streets perceived as beneficial: 129;
    - School Streets perceived as an inconvenience: 65;
    - the signage is not clear: 48;
    - School Streets has made no difference: 35;
    - School Streets has helped local residents park more easily: 15; and
    - School Streets is causing conflict between parents: 6.

    Posted 8 years ago #

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