after all public transport and non-motorway vehicles will be shunted back onto the FRB...
Or less cynically, public transport has effectivley been provisioned with a dedicated crossing. Right thing, stupid reason.
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"Queensferry Crossing project ‘months behind schedule’ "
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Posted 7 years ago #
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"Roy Brannen does genuinely seem to care about improving active travel provision"
So I wonder why that isn't reflected in what they've done? Aside from the lack of provision on the new bridge, the new facilities that came with the works are terrible; a forest of railings, lights, detours and dismount signs. As well as a bus/taxi lane with no thought for how cycles would navigate that section of road.
He's managed to make my daily commute worse, which is an achievement.
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So I wonder why that isn't reflected in what they've done?
I think most of the Queensferry Crossing decisions were made before he was in charge (but still senior at Transport Scotland). His boss is still Keith Brown, as well.
Posted 7 years ago # -
@chdot
@LaidbackRe Burntisland-Newhaven ferry, it's a similar distance to San Francisco-Sausalito which could be a decent model for a Burntisland service. They operate with a single hull, on about an hourly frequency - takes around 25 minutes to get across. Some of the other longer SFO Bay ferry routes operate a jet boat which is very quick and rather impressive to watch.
Hugely popular on a sunny day, when we did it there was a 2 boat wait with the whole lower deck on each boat filled with bikes! It'd be quite good to have a round trip to cycle across the FRB, along the Fife coast, and get the ferry back like across there - many infra parallels too, with the GG bridge path being too narrow for the number of people and the cycle routes either side being a mixed bag. For elsewhere perhaps but SF getting its act together slowly for cycle infra.
From a commuting perspective a ferry could be really handy to meet up with the tram at Newhaven, though fares would need to be sensible (and dare I suggest integrated ticketing options?).
On the QC, a quick question. Not that you would want to, it would be hell on earth, but could you in theory cycle across just now? Given it's not yet got motorway status? Or is there some sort of TRO in operation?
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Cycle bans on most/all access roads, I think?
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Take the A904 to near the start of the crossing. Then hike/carry across fields for a bit.
Could be
funinterestingPosted 7 years ago # -
"Re Burntisland-Newhaven ferry, it's a similar distance to San Francisco-Sausalito which could be a decent model for a Burntisland service."
What's the water/weather like?
Generally suggested 'Forth is difficult' - currents and high winds (x days per year?)
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Of course all this was 'normal' in 19th C - before F (rail) B, inc world's first train ferry (to Granton).
Q - when did Granton have trams?
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Cycle bans on most/all access roads, I think?
the current signage sez:
No Pedestrians
No Cyclists
No Animals
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What's the water/weather like?
Generally suggested 'Forth is difficult' - currents and high winds (x days per year?)
In the way that 'cycling in Edinburgh is difficult' as it is too wet/windy/dark/hilly (Have I missed anything?)?
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Q - when did Granton have trams?
V interesting site. 1909-1956 roughly.
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Not access road; the link between my estate and the B800 path.
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the current signage sez:
No Pedestrians
No Cyclists
No Animals
Saw that and it made me laugh. I'm surprised we are above animals in the pecking order...
Posted 7 years ago # -
@duncans
Where are cycles supposed to go in that image?
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@nedd1e_h - This is my question.
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@duncans- the only place is taking the lane in front of the car- I always ignore the cycle lane and do that from way back- the traffic lights.
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B2N Ferry
Doable -
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@paddyirish That will only work if you're fast; it's uphill into the prevailing wind. Either way, the aggressive audi drivers will see it as provocation.
I see a choice of ride in the bus lane or face aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.
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@duncans
Can understand that, but also I'm lucky as when I go up there at ~6pm, there is invariably a queue waiting at the red lights to get onto the A90. All but the most obtuse driver will realise that the cyclist is not the one who is holding things up...
2 other options-
1) cross with the lights and use the pavement
2) head down the B907 and use the back streets through Viewforth to join the FRB.Posted 7 years ago # -
@Chdot
Warmer than here... But it's a windy place with the prevailing winds off the Pacific coming through a narrow inlet, and is rather tidal as a result. Admittedly this is in the middle of the channel, at the shores it's more sheltered than the Forth. Very foggy too.Posted 7 years ago # -
@paddyirish But i'm heading for Echline.
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aah- no answer then :-(
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"the current signage sez:
No Pedestrians
No Cyclists
No Animals"
No Blacks
No Irish
No Travellers
GERROUT MA PUB!
Is the general tone.
Posted 7 years ago # -
so,
forth road bridge is closed to everyone on sept 4th?
https://www.theforthbridges.org/plan-your-journey/planned-roadworks/
dam i was hoping for my first commute in from dalgety bay that day!
Posted 7 years ago # -
rider73
still worth commuting - if FRB is ever closed to cyclists, especially in strong winds, a van will pick you up and ferry you across to the other side. It's a really useful resource, and worth getting a feel for it..
Northbound, ask at the control Tower, southbound wait at the bottom of the slip and see where other cyclists congregate.
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@rider73
welcome to the rollercoaster highs and lows of the fife-edin year-round bike commute
we be tha niggaz of de transport scotland universe
believe
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I'm not a frequent FRB crosser, but I wonder why the bridge should be closed to cycles in high winds, to the same degree that it's closed to vehicles. First, the danger from winds is more to vehicles that present an impenetrable cross section to wind, and second, why couldn't cycles be directed across the main deck when closed to motorised vehicles? Can regular FRB commuters put me right?
Edit: oh there's that joint problem isn't there?
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@ih, because in strong winds it's f***ing scary. It's by far the most exposed part of my commute. I've been blown 2 metres horizontally when on the bridge before and once I was about to go to ground, rather than get blown over the side.
I trust the bridge team's judgement - if the bridge is open to cyclists it is passable with care. If it is closed due to wind, it is for a good reason. I believe the tipping point is a gust of 50mph.
The van trip is a great service.
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@paddyirish Thanks, very graphic description!
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i do not necessarily trust the bridge teams judgement, becaue they have changed the rules over the years, and so i do limbo the gate when i see fit
this is generally when they are too tardy to re-open the gate promptly despite the prevailing wind graph trend at the foot of this page
https://www.theforthbridges.org/plan-your-journey/wind-and-weather/
HOWEVER when they have accosted me for doing so, i accept their rationale that it is their scaffolding and related building material that may cause my injury in high winds
bear in mind that they have no legal right to stop you, but its entirely at your own risk to ignore their sage advice
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