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PROPERTY prices in South Queensferry have shot up by a third over the last year as the town prepares for the opening of the new Forth crossing this summer.
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Yep South(?)
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"Queensferry Crossing project ‘months behind schedule’ "
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Posted 7 years ago #
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@bax: thought of you this weekend as I went past and saw that, indeed, the connector road loading to the north side is really not finished yet.
Weird, cos it's pretty much the first bit they started, as I recall.
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@acsimpson - ahh so your the phantom barrier-mover. I really don't like cycling that north-side ferrytoll bit at the moment. The cyclist is a mere after-thought with the path barely wide enough in places to pass another bike (yes it's a dismount but I'm not dismounting because they can't be bothered to provide a suitable alternative).
I am still a bit surprised at the 'finished' part down past ferrytoll into inverkeithing. Can someone explain the logic with this? If I am coming down the hill from Inverkeithing I have to signal (somehow) to the cars behind that I may or may not turn left and hop on to pavement but my decision depends on if a car comes up to the T-junction at the wrong time: no car, i'll hop onto pavement, if a car comes to the T-junction Plan A is aborted and I cycle on up past ferrytoll and join at the roundabout for FRB. Similarly on way back you are suddenly spat out at a 45 degree angle to a T-junction. This can't be right surely??
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Yep South(?)
Chdot: Possibly in anticipation of the significant reduction in road noise through Queensferry, you can't escape the motorway drone anywhere just now.
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Noticed an outbreak of 'dismount' signs among the forest of lights and railings that are the new cycling facilities in South Queensferry, around Tesco/B800 roundabout and the new bridge roundabout. Need to go get some photos.
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"Possibly in anticipation of the significant reduction in road noise through Queensferry"
Prematurely optimistic?
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@Beano, They have certainly been moved by someone. They don't seem to have been moved back either.
I've not been to the Inverkeithing end since it's completion but assuming it follows the same pattern as the rest of the Ferrytoll. It appears to have been designed using toy cars on a sheet of A2 paper.
Unfortunately Transport Scotland have a rather large box of toy cars and it was only after they fitted them all onto the paper that they came across a pedestrian and bicycle and rather than designing them into the junction quietly put them back in the box hoping no one would notice.
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i happened upon a gaggle of clipboard white hats at ferrytoll last week, they were admiring their potent virile interchange
gave them expletive-peppered verbal about the unacceptable shortcomings for cyclists
the older ones had a sly grin going on, old school SMIDGAF realpolitik vibe. silent but deadly. younger one piped up with it being for your own safety etc
i left them to their delusions while limbo-ing under the roped cones to access the roundabout proper
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Skullduggery at the interchange this morning, then
Seems the new infrastructure will be designed to cut all non-motorised access from the roundabout, as the southbound FRB access road will lead straight to the 'motorway' with no footway connection
Which means @beano's plan B route as described above will be deliberately scuppered
After the new bridge opens, i reckon i'll use the motorised interchange route anyway, given that it will be a designated public transport corridor
allegedly
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"the older ones had a sly grin going on, old school SMIDGAF realpolitik vibe".
Sounds like a "we've won and there's fock all you can do about it, sunshine" grin to me.
"younger one piped up with it being for your own safety etc"
Alternative new generation approach: "we've won and there's fock all you can do about it, sunshine. As I'm a cocky young arse I'll take some of my valuable time to patronise the hell out of you just to show you who's boss."
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@ac/bax - I missed these posts from the other week. I still can't picture the 'finished' article for the cyclist/ped.
Seems like this morning they have diverted the vehicles heading from Inverkeithing to the FRB onto a new (permanent?) slip road and put concrete bollard-type things at the edge of the path up to the old lorry-parking bay before the FRB. Does this mean that, once finished,this part of the road (e.g. the old slip-road & bus lane) will become a free-for-all space??
I'm bemused to say the least; I still can't believe that something so poorly designed got past all the relevant hoops/hurdles without someone pushing for some extra cycle/walking space.
...And don't get me started on the FRB shared path dumping ground. The east side path is getting ridiculous...significant sections are being used as 'permanent' storage for 'stuff'. This is going to be a nightmare when the warmer nights come in and more and more people are having to share spaces which are too narrow.
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... well i just returned northbound over FRB and elected to use the interchange as normal
Ferrytoll > Rosyth > Dunfermline direction
"you can't go that way ! you can't go that way !!"
Is that so ? watch me
Had grief today for using the interchange in both directions !
Seems that site workers believe the tacky wee shared use path is now entirely mandatory..
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@beano
aye.. i used to joke with FETA about east side cycleway on FRB being a building site that you have to navigate through
but now that joke is a reality, complete with workers hefting large scaffolding about right in front of oncoming cyclists without looking where they are going
that's all too common now
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Does this mean that, once finished,this part of the road (e.g. the old slip-road & bus lane) will become a free-for-all space??
i'm getting the impression it might not even exist
they might build a wee hill to separate the crap kids footpath from the adults motor lane
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... well i just returned northbound over FRB and elected to use the interchange as normal
Ferrytoll > Rosyth > Dunfermline direction
"you can't go that way ! you can't go that way !!"
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You mean on 'normal roads" like "normal traffic", or bits that aren't 'open' yet?
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I'm not sure my usually polite lexicon has the word for the current excrement which TS seems to have inflicted on us. It looks worrying like the public transport link will be branching out half way up the slip road with presumably no way for cyclists to bail onto the cycle path before that. So coming from Rosyth the only option might be to turn off into Inverkeithing and join the cycle path to the East of the motormess. I assume they will eventually put rutted tarmac similar to the pavement up Castlandhill road from Inverkeithing along the cyclocross track to the bridge. If we are considered worthy it might even be as wide as what was there before but I'm not holding my breath. Perhaps it's time they reopened the west side path on the FRB as access to it is probably easier.
Perhaps
it's worthsome of us should goingto this to vent our frustrations:Public Meeting
The Forth Bridges Forum are hosting a Public Meeting on Tuesday 25th April 2017 at 7pm in the FRC Contact & Education Centre, Ferrymuir Gait, South Queensferry, EH30 9SF.
All members of the public are welcome.
Tea & coffee will be available from 6.30pm.
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Why are we all having to guess what they're going to do? Surely the plans have been released somewhere?
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You mean on 'normal roads" like "normal traffic", or bits that aren't 'open' yet?
new normal roads that have been deliberately designed to anticipate that non-moton traffic ain't an expected thang
its unbelievable really
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@acsimpson
i'm not intersted in public meetings
but i accept that someone should be
i am interested in direct action
and you'l see my actions every day of the week
if you see remedial movement, it was probably me
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Ta.
I hoped that wasn't what you meant!
"its unbelievable really"
In spite of not having expectations of 'good' from TS, this does seem to be extreme!
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@chdot
you'd have to pop over the bridge to see for yourself
as i don't see the 'fife feeder ride' expressing ANY opinion
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So that's a lot of legalised pavement cycling?
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I'm feeling a little more positive about the attitude of the builders after this morning but I'll come back to that later.
Frenchy, Wow, where did you find that? I had a rummage around the TS and project sites yesterday but couldn't find anything.
I'm not sure what the green boxes are adjacent to the cycle paths but assume they aren't toucan's as per the key.
So There will be a toucan crossing of the public transport coridor approximately where they northbound slip starts. Grade segregation here would have been trivial to include but they clearly don't expect to use the old bridge as a contraflow very often as this would increase tailback no end.There doesn't appear to be any thought given to cyclists approaching from Castlandhill Road or Ferrytoll Road but I think this was already known.
I wonder how many workers/visitors the sewage works get arriving by bikes that the effort has been taken to provide them a shared use path.
Back to my initial comment there was someone maintaining the access to the roundabout from the cyclocross track this morning. It was clearly signed as "No Pedestrian Exit" and he was both waving cyclists off the roundabout to ensure they didn't accidentally take the new slip and helping cyclists access the roundabout for Rosyth.
I asked him and his colleague and they thought there would be a way to access the roundabout directly from the path once construction is finished although I can't work out how this would be possible without joining Hope Street first.
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@chdot. Indeed they seem to have created a new cicular cycle route for those who enjoy motorway views and Toucan crossings (Is that 12 or 13 in the loop?).
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Frenchy, Wow, where did you find that? I had a rummage around the TS and project sites yesterday but couldn't find anything.
I did the same thing, then gave up and emailed them asking for it.
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"There doesn't appear to be any thought given to cyclists approaching from Castlandhill Road or Ferrytoll Road but I think this was already known."
Bit of an understatement there! It can already be tricky getting to/from Ferrytoll Road but this layout makes it certainly no easier and potentially more hazardous.
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I would imagine, looking at the layout, that the intention is to open the path on the west side of the FRB once more. Otherwise why build all that
infrastructureshared use stuff that links to it?Posted 7 years ago # -
Ha. I've been staring at this for ages trying to figure out what you lot are talking about. I assumed North was to the left for some reason...
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