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In the light of Cllr. Andrew Burns tweet:
https://twitter.com/AndrewDBurns/status/746465669525405696
Is there a future for Scottish Labour? Or will the name be ditched in favour of the Scottish Co-operative Party?
Lights blue touch paper and retreats... ;-)
Interesting to see Malcom Chisholm speaking of independence as 'inevitable'.
The co-operative party has had an electoral pact with the Labour Party since 1917. You can be a member of the co-operative party and the Labour Party or the SDLP in norn Irn. The councillors, MSPs and MPs bill themselves as Labour and Co-operative party
In an independent Scotland left of centre parties would possibly form a coalition? Labour, greens, SSP etc?
"You can be a member of the co-operative party and the Labour Party"
I have been aware of this for a while, but don't understand it.
I think Labour (in Scotland) politicians would be well advised to play up the CP membership and maybe drop the LP membership (if that is possible).
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Andy Burnham (@andyburnhammp)
24/06/2016, 10:28 pm
Can't help but think that, on a difficult day for our country, the opportunism of @NicolaSturgeon has added to our problems.
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http://labourlist.org/2016/06/kezia-dugale-labour-will-not-support-another-independence-referendum/
Kezia has already been out competed by Ruth for the Unionist vote. Were she Mr Foot or Mr Powell I could see her doing this because of deeply held convictions but I don't think this is true in her case.
Can't help but think that, on a difficult day for our country, the opportunism of @NicolaSturgeon has added to our problems.
Mr Burnham is free to keep applying CPR to the corpse of the United Kingdom while we attend to the birth of our nation. Poor lad.
Scottish Labour can join in or sulk on the sidelines - it's a matter of some indifference to me.
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Given the strength of the remain vote in Scotland, Scottish Labour is faced with a big decision: does it oppose independence and go with Brexit to maintain the Union, or switch now to promoting independence to stay in the EU? I favour the latter, but it should be for Scottish Labour members to make that decision independently.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/25/britain-rainy-fascist-island-progrexit-brexit
And now Heidi Alexander...
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I fear the death of my party
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This is interesting.
Not that I have any particular interest in defending Corbyn, who has been insipid and pretty useless during the campaign, but just shows how low the media and his internal enemies will go to pursue an agenda.
The interesting thing is that the MPs want to declare war with the party membership...
"This is interesting"
Indeed!
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Nor is the fact that the incident was not a chance one. The “heckler” is Tom Mauchline, a PR professional for PR firm Portland Communications, a dedicated Blairite (he describes himself as Gouldian) formerly working on the Liz Kendall leadership campaign. Portland Communications’ “strategic counsel” is Alastair Campbell.
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The Tories are about to face the same town and gown issue.
MPs don't want Boris in charge but he is a darling of the twinset and pearls grass roots and has spent years cultivating the cuddly buffoon image. I'd be surprised if most people could name many other Tory MPs.
From the Grauniad yesterday:
In a further significant development, Scottish Labour’s executive committee opened up the prospect of eventually endorsing independence after agreeing to “consider all options” on Scotland’s future in the UK.
Until now, the Scottish Labour leader, Kezia Dugdale, had consistently opposed a second referendum, but the party is now to consult unions, parliamentarians and members on its position after the UK as a whole voted to leave the EU. Party officials said the political situation was so fluid and uncertain, it was impossible to arrive at a fixed position now on Scotland’s future.
Dugdale said Scottish Labour believed in the UK and pooling resources and sovereignty, but it now had to apply those values “to do the best thing for Scotland and the interests of working people within it”.
Ian Murray just resigned from Shadow Cabinet.
Do we think Mr Murray's leader Kezia Dugdale gave the green light for his resignation? Or does she even have his phone number?
Does Kezia not lead Labour only in the Scottish Parliament?
I didn't think she covered Scottish Labour MPs, but I'm always a bit hazy about "Scottish" parties versus wings of UK parties.
Robert
Robert
@Roibeard
Ms Dugdale claimed to be the leader of the Scottish MP as well as the MSPs and councillors. The MP never confirmed nor denied this arrangement.
It's my guess that Mr Murray considers that he has no one to answer to at the moment.
Well it's up to Murray if he wants to resign. Who will his replacement be? Chosen from among Labour's other Scottish MPs? Er...
Honestly the Labour party seems to be in self destruct mode right now... :(
@crowriver
He should be replaced by Mhairi Black, obviously.
Murray resigning is a clever move, designed to put pressure on corbyn. He has stated that JC is a good man, but not to lead labour.
Labour will not want to put an English MP in the role, but JC will have almost no option.
Pressure builds, Corbyn resigns in a bit, Murray sees it as a job well done, gets a better job in new leaders cabinet.
Too simplistic?
@Nelly
Scotland now has no representation in the Shadow Cabinet during the biggest political meltdown in decades.
I didn't think I could think less of Mr Murray than I already did, but this puts the tin lid on it.
One of Barons Darling, Reid and Robertson will doubtless take over for form's sake.
Interesting take on the Labour shenanigans from Craig Murray:
It’s Still the Iraq War, Stupid.
No rational person could blame Jeremy Corbyn for Brexit. So why are the Blairites moving against Corbyn now, with such precipitate haste?
The answer is the Chilcot Report. It is only a fortnight away, and though its form will be concealed by thick layers of establishment whitewash, the basic contours of Blair’s lies will still be visible beneath. Corbyn had deferred to Blairite pressure not to apologise on behalf of the Labour Party for the Iraq War until Chilcot is published.
For the Labour Right, the moment when Corbyn as Labour leader stands up in parliament and condemns Blair over Iraq, is going to be as traumatic as it was for the hardliners of the Soviet Communist Party when Khruschev denounced the crimes of Stalin. It would also destroy Blair’s carefully planned post-Chilcot PR strategy. It is essential to the Blairites that when Chilcot is debated in parliament in two weeks time, Jeremy Corbyn is not in place as Labour leader to speak in the debate. The Blairite plan is therefore for the parliamentary party to depose him as parliamentary leader and get speaker John Bercow to acknowledge someone else in that fictional position in time for the Chilcot debate, with Corbyn remaining leader in the country but with no parliamentary status.
More here:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/06/still-iraq-war-stupid/
less demented than some of his theories...
Edit: never mind.
"No rational person could blame Jeremy Corbyn for Brexit"
He has to take some blame for being totally ineffective during the campaign.
That assumes that Brexit voters could be convinced by rational argument. My view is they couldn't, because voting Leave was not rational. It was more of a "f**k you, f**k everybody" moment. Only a minority of Leave voters are now repentant, many others are crowing jubilantly. They "showed" us, and the "elite" that they truly are DILLIGAF types.
That is what is so fundamentally depressing about the whole thing: it's an orgy of self harm.
Very interesting analysis here:
Thoughts on the sociology of Brexit
http://www.perc.org.uk/project_posts/thoughts-on-the-sociology-of-brexit/
I always find it funny on Corbyn that in general we complain that politicians are lying, two-faced spinmasters. Then we get Corbyn, who generally doesn't seem to back down on his principles (singing the national anthem etc.) and we then think this is a bad thing.
He genuinely appeared to think that the EU is flawed, would be better if it was extensively reviewed and amended. Now that line of thought didn't fit in well with the polarised, black-and-white positioning of the campaigning. There was no middle ground, which is really where he was. Yet we expected him to dust off the pom-poms and be a cheerleader, thereby effectively lying.
Maybe politics isn't the place for principled individuals anymore, as we've got too used to being given a line, and it now unnerves us when we don't get that.
But it's a referendum, you have to vote Yes or No, there's no option for "Yes, but I'm not happy about it".
He should have accepted that his lacklustre approach to the campaign would contribute to a No vote. There seems to be evidence that his office were deliberately obstructive towards the Remain side. Did he actually want a leave vote?
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