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Danger - tipper lorries...

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  • Started 7 years ago by neddie
  • Latest reply from Murun Buchstansangur

  1. neddie
    Member

    ...entering the Donaldson's site (off West Coates)

    I watched one turn left into the site from the Eastbound carriageway. To make the turn through the relatively narrow gate, he was in the right-hand lane and partly on the other side of the (4 lane) road.

    So much so, I thought he was actually going to turn right, across my path (I was approaching in the opposite direction).

    To fair to the driver, he made the move very slowly and carefully, although I think his indicating could have been better. And as we know, there are blind spots.

    Watch out though, this could easily catch out a cyclist (I know I was confused, even though not directly involved)

    Posted 7 years ago #
  2. le_soigneur
    Member

    The site manager under HSE should really have a banksman/gate-operative on post for such foreseeable dangers, or at least a risk-assessment showing why not?

    Posted 7 years ago #
  3. le_soigneur
    Member


    Posted 7 years ago #
  4. Wow, there really are a lot of tipper trucks! And cement lorries and and and....

    I think I'll head out there earlier than usual on Friday and get a timelapse video. One had just gone in as I passed this morning, with one waiting to come out, two more heading towards the exit, and two lorries pointing the other direction and waiting in the grounds to unload.

    At rush hour.

    Other cities around the world are getting rid of lorries entirely, let alone saying 'yep, that number of additional massive vehicles on what we're determined to be an arterial route, at the busiest time of day, with people walking by, cyclists on the road, and traffic getting annoyed at being held up, sounds entirely reasonable'.

    Incident waiting to happen.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  5. gembo
    Member

    Kaputnik has been posting about this on here since a bad one on Monday

    Posted 7 years ago #
  6. kaputnik
    Moderator

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14339&page=2#post-226167

    There is a banksman on the exit, who is either ignorant, ambivalent or unqualified. Or all 3. See video on above thread, waving tipper out when his view was obscured by a Citylink bus

    Posted 7 years ago #
  7. "Kaputnik has been posting about this on here since a bad one on Monday"

    Yip.

    Though by 'incident' I was thinking of something more terminal...

    Posted 7 years ago #
  8. Ed1
    Member

    http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/why-are-hgv-lorries-so-dangerous-and-how-can-the-industry-make-londons-streets-safer-for-cyclists-10409783.html

    Tipper trucks appear the most dangerous vehicle for cyclists, 24 out of 99 people killed on London's roads cycling were killed by a tipper trucks from 2008 till July 2015

    Posted 7 years ago #
  9. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    'Banksman' at the new Boroughmuir was just watching 'his' traffic emerge despite oncoming traffic (me in one direction and cars in the other). Maybe something to do with him being engrossed in rolling a fag at the time.

    I think these 'Banksmen' need their job titles altered by a change of the first letter

    Posted 7 years ago #
  10. kaputnik
    Moderator

    There are a number of reasons why tippers are disproportionately dangerous, off the top of my head;

    Paid traditionally a piece rate, the more trips they can make, the more they get paid. So they are under a time pressure.

    High cab design means that driver visibility is poor

    Disproportionate urban concentration of these vehicles during major construction projects.

    Often a disproportionate concentration of vehicles during early rush hour as morning deliveries are made and the first loads of spoil of the day are taken away from the site. This is exacerbated in London as the City have banished these vehicles overnight to reduce noise. So at 7AM they're queued up and raring to go. I imagine they may be restricted to daylight hours too in Edinburgh as part of any noise management strategy during works in or near residential areas

    The rigid body design has 2 pairs of wheels with a gap inbetween. They have a horrible habit of being able to trap / suck in cyclists as they turn across them. I don't need to elaborate on what happens if you or your bike gets caught in the gaps. The vehicles I've seen exiting Donaldsons have no safety skirts along the side, which are designed to stop this terrifying occurrence.

    The rigid body with 2 steering axles at the front also means they don't necessarily turn in the manner thatyou might expect a long vehicle to.

    When they are empty, these things can fairly fly.

    Happy to be corrected on any of the above points.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  11. acsimpson
    Member

    I thought that side guards were mandatory on all trucks. Looking at your video the truck which cut you up appears to have them.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  12. kaputnik
    Moderator

    You're right, it does. Perhaps it was the one on Monday that didn't. Or an entirely different tipper that I saw recently.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  13. This morning a tipper exited the site, while another lorry, a big-trailered thing with equipment on the back, reversed into Devon Place to be able to make the entrance to the site while the banksman.... stood on the pavement doing nothing. No traffic control, nowt.

    Who is carrying out the works?

    Posted 7 years ago #
  14. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I've seen a lot of NWH (Neil Williams Haulage - see here; http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991#post-53080) tippers around Picardy Place of late, I think they're coming from St. James Centre redevelopment.

    And none of them have side skirts.

    The Tarmac (a CRH Company) tipper coming out of Donaldsons this morning waited for me to pass before exiting, which was a turn up for the books. Also had side skirts with large fluorescent "keep clear" panels attached to them.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  15. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Have seen quite a lot of 'spirited' dumper driving outside of the new Boroughmuir build in the last couple of weeks - all over the pavements etc. The drivers' sightlines on these highfronted things are utterly abysmal for vulnerable road (& pavement) users. Not a banksman in sight, of course.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  16. PS
    Member

    @k There was a flurry of skip lorries in the Picardy Place/Broughton St area a month or so ago, one of which I noted was being driven in an impatient manner by a grumpy-visaged individual, but I haven't noticed any recently. They may be using Elder Street to access the site now?

    Posted 7 years ago #
  17. kaputnik
    Moderator

    @PS yes I think the route out/in is currently Elder St > Picardy Place > London Road

    Posted 7 years ago #
  18. Bigjack
    Member

    I find it so ironic that building site safety is so strict - no entry to the site unless wearing hi-vis, safety shoes, goggles and hard hat, even if you're just going to the site office to deliver the mail, and yet as a number of people have clearly described , they forget all about the health and safety once they're out on the public road (parking HGV's on double yellows, reversing out without banksman etc etc)

    Posted 7 years ago #
  19. biketrain
    Member

    Reg Y2GCS Grant Construction tipper parked on core path on Cutlins Road this morning. Not sure why as there was plenty of space on the road.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  20. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    OK, the possibly even wilder cousins of the lorry/driver type in the title, but I LOLed at the photo

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-city-bypass-traffic-slow-after-lorry-got-stuck-under-bridge-on-the-a7-3778192

    Posted 1 year ago #

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