I responded to "you post videos of car drivers that you are not happy with - what's the difference?". Also deleted.
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Andrew Burns unfairly treated on youtube
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Posted 8 years ago #
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His text is also wrong. He says that cyclists may not cross the advanced stop line while the light is red. Now I could be wrong but the advance stop line is surely the front of the two and therefore the one which cyclists (such as Andrew Burns) stop at. So the video doesn't even show this rule being broken.
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"I responded to "you post videos of car drivers that you are not happy with - what's the difference?". Also deleted"
Yeah, I'm 'citycycling' on there, so thought I was being asked a direct question to respond to.
@acsimpson, I always thought the advance stop line, was the stop line that is in advance of the actual stop line, so you come to it first. But looks like I was wrong on that. Rules on use of the boxes really does need a massive overhaul!
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WC - the overhaul has in fact happened - the Traffic Signs etc rules now in force have removed the feeder lane/ break in solid line requirements, so some 14 years on from the original situatin, we can now legally use ASLs in the way we have all used them all along...
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Sorry, poor choice of words on my part - been keeping tabs on the thread, so I knew about the rules changes. I think the terminology is still a little out of whack, and there's not enough done to make it clear to drivers that they need to stay out (not sure 'how' this can be done, as I'm not keen on more and more signs).
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"there's not enough done to make it clear to drivers that they need to stay out"
There is a leaflet -
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/streetsahead/download/downloads/id/177/advanced_stop_lines.pdf
It was part of a campaign a few years ago, I think there were back of bus ads too.
Joint CEC and Police (and others) campaign.
As various FoI requests have shown, no drivers have ever been ticketed!
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" As various FoI requests have shown, no drivers have ever been ticketed!"
Could be because this was never actually an offence!! (Probably due to a drafting inaccuracy)
If you look at the regulation in the 2002 regs that lists those road markings where crossing the Stop Line becomes an offence,
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/3113/regulation/10/made
you will see that the ASL diagram, 1001.2, is missing from the list.
This likely means that not only was Cllr Burns not committing an offence, but also that cars entering the ASL were guilt free too!
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@ih - I think it isn't crossing the stop line that is/was the offence: - it is failing to stop for the signal. The lines tell you where you have to stop, so if vehicles (including cycles) don't stop before the relevant line when the light is red the driver/rider has failed to comply with the signal. Also, I think regulation 10 lists offences that can lead to disqualification, and it can be an offence to contravene signs that are not listed but without leading to possible disqualification.
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Sad news. Cllr Burns is not going to stand for re-election.
That's a blow, as he's been a sturdy enabler of better infrastructure.
"But, I am personally proud of the last 4-years ... and when it comes to local policy delivery, all I would ask is for a relevant amount of focus to be paid to, for example:
•Educational attainment for all our students
•Transport-mode usage figures
•Particularly, growth in cycling spend and general usage"http://andrewburns.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/thank-you-edinburgh.html
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Edinburgh council leader Andrew Burns to stand down
"I want to now move on; to focus on a different phase in my life. A phase that once again will not involve front-line politics, in any shape or form - whatsoever."
Yup, something finally got him fed up enough I think.
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"Yup, something finally got him fed up enough I think."
Suspect a variety of things, though the 'I didn't intend to be a politician forever' sounds true.
He made it clear early on that he no MP/MSP ambitions.
I'm sure there will be people who imagine that the idea of not winning next year is the 'main reason', but I suspect that's just one of many factors.
Does change the 'shape' of the next CEC election - not least around transport/cycling policies.
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