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Tour o' the Borders 2016

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  • Started 8 years ago by LaidBack
  • Latest reply from nobrakes

  1. LaidBack
    Member

    Anyone here paid the pound a mile or so to do this year's ToB closed road sportive?

    Dave did 'quite well' on his LB high recliner (!)

    Anyone completing it did well of course as 'quite breezy and quite hilly'.

    POS NAME BIB M/F TEAM/CLUB CHIP TIME
    1 Dave Mccraw 1216 LAID BACKFLIP BIKES 3:31:02
    2 John Waller 512 3:31:07
    3 Luke Bates 1401 3:31:08
    4 Robert Simpson 2049 3:32:32
    5 Rider 520 520 3:32:57
    6 Sean Monaghan 352 3:33:53
    7 John Dickie 1936 3:34:09
    8 David Henderson 203 3:34:10
    9 Al Fairbairn 1496 PIVOT BOOMPODS 3:34:23
    10 David Kinnear 1169 ABERNETHY BIKE CLUB 3:34:23

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. gembo
    Member

    Chapeau

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. nobrakes
    Member

    Great stuff, congratulations Dave. Sure was breezy. I sat in Stow and thought about you all fighting through that wind. Did you do it too LB? I'm hoping by next year I'll be strong enough on the bent to give it a crack too.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. LaidBack
    Member

    No - was out on pre-paid voucher tour. Maybe just as well as it must have been tough.
    The site here shows the time spent on Talla. That knocked off a huge aero advantage that Dave's bike had against any other road bike. Having said that handling a higher 'bent in cross winds is trickier than an upright.

    Click on a name to see Talla section of 2km and time taken. Dave was 461 on that which is ok and was made up by his average speed elsewhere.
    http://results.sporthive.com/events/6163305381457035264

    I reckon after a year on Fuego with doing the climbs you 'like' you'll do ok. I improved every year on ToB. I went round Arthur's Seat on my demo today just to see how bad it was in the wind. No other cyclists at all.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. HankChief
    Member

    I thought it was a good event. I went down yesterday to register and they put on a a busy event village to wander round. The kids got lots of free stuff - noise maker, Frisbee, water bottles etc.

    Early start this morning and I was off on Wave 1. Maybe 150 riders but because of the monster headwind no one could get away so we stuck together for the 30miles to Talla with a fair amount of scary jostling for position.

    On one wide straight we did see Dave going flying by us - impressively quick into the headwind. How he coped with being in large group on narrow roads I've no idea.

    I was near the front of the group at the bottom of Talla wall but sadly near the back by the top - not sure I'm built for hill climbing.

    The top eventually came and the first part of the descent was neutralised. Sadly, on the next part of the descent I came across an accident, where the guy had broken his wrist, so I deployed my foil blanket and waited with him for a Marshall to arrive.

    The remainder was either blisteringly fast with the tailwind or grindingly slow into the wind. I just about managed to hang onto a group along the Yarrow valley and up Paddyslacks but I was dropped on the descent despite averaging over 30mph and spinning out at over 40mph on some bits.

    Made the last 10miles a bit of a slog, but happy to finish in under 4 hours (adjusted for stopping on Talla descent).

    To keep up my record of a century ride every calendar month, I had some brunch and then cycled back to Edin with a cracking tailwind.

    A grand day out.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. LaidBack
    Member

    I came across an accident, where the guy had broken his wrist, so I deployed my foil blanket and waited with him for a Marshall to arrive.

    Well done on that HC. Doing under four hours with that stop is quite an achievement.

    Last year there were two bad crashes on way down after Talla. Assume nothing that bad happened this time.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. HankChief
    Member

    I was told that my chap was the only injury this time round.

    It was at the same spot as my mate crashed last year. He just had cuts and bruises but his bike was in multiple pieces spread out over 20metres!

    Forgot to say, the front of wave one had someone on a mountain bike around the front to Talla. He didn't even have slicks on. Much kudos to him - his biggest gear was that big so he was spinning the pedals to keep up.

    Also saw Graeme Obree who had huge front chain ring - and tiny rear cassette.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. fimm
    Member

    Boyfriend of Fimm did it. He was off in wave 3. He enjoyed himself a lot. He was impressed by the thoroughness with which the roads were closed, and enjoyed little things that the closed roads gave him like being able to hammer through a junction at which you would normally give way and swing right across onto the other side of the road like the pros!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. redmist
    Member

    Well done to all who got round the ToB in those conditions.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. amir
    Member

    Seriously quick times, guys. Well done

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. Dave
    Member

    A great event as ever. This year I also rode the Etape Caledonia but they really don't compare - the Touro course is much, much nicer (both scenically but also more challenging and varied). I wouldn't bother with the Etape again, but the Touro is a permanent fixture in the calendar. Although now I don't need to try and win it, which is a strange feeling.

    Someone in the organising team has a sense of humour and modified my "Laid Back Bikes" team name... I only noticed when zip tying the card to my handlebars :)

    I put in a solo breakaway on the first wave after only six miles, since it seemed like the only strategy that had a chance of getting me up Talla without losing the leaders. In fact I built up such a huge lead (seven minutes) that I was able to hold everyone off until the final climb, and even then I crossed the line third and had the fastest time of the day:

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    Most of my video is just me riding along on my own looking at the back of the outriders. Not very interesting, but I might put together a sped-up version?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. fimm
    Member

    I'm amused by the fact that although the roads are closed everyone is pretty much sticking to the left hand lane!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. HankChief
    Member

    You can see me in your film - near the front with a red top. Does show the upwind speed advantage you you.

    What was it like for you in the group?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. jonty
    Member

    @fimm: I guess cyclists know how just how effective banning motor traffic from an area can be...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. Dave
    Member

    What was it like for you in the group?

    It's not amazing because I don't give such good shelter to the rider(s) immediately behind, so it creates some kind of tension where they naturally try and push past. Physically being in the group is OK in terms of steering around and stuff.

    Did you see my Etape Caledonia video? If you jump to like 10 minutes in, it's full of really cramped riding in big groups. Not the most fun TBH...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  16. Gresham Flyer
    Member

    @fimm from the issued riders notes: "Tesco Bank Tour O’ The Borders 2016 is a closed road
    event, we do however ask that you take care on the roads
    and cycle on the left except when overtaking."
    But I guess not everyone bothers with that.

    How do you "win" a Sportive?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  17. "How do you "win" a Sportive?"

    By having the fastest time.

    Allegedly not the point of a sportive, but get a load of competitive people on expensive kit together to tackle a tough route and it becomes a natural end.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  18. Dave
    Member

    Yeah, if I understand it correctly you have to say it's not a race in the UK to avoid some kind of archaic legal wrangling (whereas any similar closed roads running event would just be straight up called a race).

    I think it probably has good branding implications too for widening the field. Tons of folk run the marathon without being put off by the fact that it's a race, but you can imagine random office workers might not be so keen to sign up for a bike race, but 'sportive' sounds comfortingly vague.

    In the end though, it's a race because everyone at the front is racing. A rose by any other name etc.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  19. adamthekiwi
    Member

    Blimey, those efforts put mine into sharp perspective. I was scheduled for wave 2, but ended up being a bit late, so joined wave 3. I took over 20 minutes off last year's time, to record 4:08. I'm pretty pleased with that, given the wind and last week's RideLondon 100, which I completed in 4:51...

    HankChief makes me feel like a wimp for not cycling home on the grounds that I hadn't gone far enough, though...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  20. HankChief
    Member

    @adam: it's a slippery slope though...

    TotB 2013 was my first ever sportive. My first time riding in a group and my longest ever ride to that point.

    Even though it was a complete wash out, I thoroughly enjoyed it and haven't looked back. It's just it's getting harder/longer to get my fix :-)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  21. adamthekiwi
    Member

    Thank you HankChief, but that's little help to my self-esteem, since TotB 2013 was my first sportive too!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  22. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    I don't think sportives are races because they lack key features of racing: teams, without them there can't be any interplay of team strategy such as chasing down breaks and leading out a team leader for primes or the win; something to race for: points, a trophy or cash and progression into stronger competition for the winners and a sense of connection with competitors at the top level who started as club riders.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  23. stiltskin
    Member

    They aren't really races in the sense that racing cyclists mean. It would also be pretty pointless in having a 'race' that feature recumbents and normal bikes. You can't really compare the two. However, in the sense taht a certain proprtion of the entrants are trying to do the course as fast as they can, then you could see it as featuring some elements of what racing is meant to be.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. race n. a competition between runners, horses, vehicles, etc. to see which is the fastest in covering a set course.

    I don't think you need points or a trophy or cash or progression to classify something as a 'race'. My sister and I used to race each other to the end of the street. It carried nothing more than kudos of being quicker. To us it was a race.

    I think if you get any group of people together, to cover a course, where it's timed, and the results of those timings are published to show who was fastest, and people taking part are trying to be that fastest person... Well if it smells like a race, looks like a race and feels like a race...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  25. fimm
    Member

    There's the quote about Sportives being for people who pretend they are racing and Audax for people who pretend they're not racing... (I was genuinely surprised when I did the Snow Roads to overhear people at the end discussing that a new fastest time had been set (I think - something like that) - I didn't think that sort of thing was recorded/known!)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  26. Gresham Flyer
    Member

    Again from the issued riders notes (in a large font, in a box, on it's own):

    "REMEMBER IT’S NOT A RACE! RIDE SAFELY AND TAKE IT EASY ON THE DESCENTS"

    Kind of lacks ambiguity. I guess for a race - the people you "beat" have to know they're in a race with you- as per you and your sis WC.

    Still a cracking finishing time Dave

    Posted 8 years ago #
  27. Dave
    Member

    I'm with WC, I think it's funny that people would think it isn't racing. It doesn't fit the strict conditions of one particular organisation's bike races (the UCI weight limit, course regulations, restrictions on the use of team radios, all that junk) but whatever. When everyone in the group is trying to beat the other people in the group, IMO they're racing each other.

    The difference with an audax is that while there is a prize for finishing (x points depending on the length of course, badges, awards) everyone gets the points regardless of finishing order. For that reason even though there are trophies with people's names on, , I think you can make an argument that audax in general isn't racing?

    That doesn't mean that people aren't racing on individual audax rides though. Watch a video of the lead group going around Paris-Brest-Paris, sprinting through controls and so on...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  28. Dave
    Member

    "REMEMBER IT’S NOT A RACE! RIDE SAFELY AND TAKE IT EASY ON THE DESCENTS"

    I think that's the legalese I was referring to earlier.

    Wikipedia says: "Some participants in a cyclosportive will ride the event like a race, with prizes awarded and considerable prestige for top place finishers, particularly in events like La Marmotte, L'Étape du Tour and the Ardechoise... In the United Kingdom, sportives are not held as races in order to avoid strict rules governing cycle races on public roads."

    Although that does make me wonder... when it looks like a race, smells like a race, everyone in it is racing each other - how does that really position the organiser in legal terms?

    Haven't they just given a meaningless disclaimer with a wink and a nod despite the knowledge that it's actually racing? Wouldn't a court say, well, you knew realistically that conditions were going to be indistinguishable from racing on the ground? (one for WC perhaps)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  29. Dave
    Member

    LOL:

    Someone should probably remind Tesco that for legal reasons, it wasn't technically racing? ;-)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  30. "Haven't they just given a meaningless disclaimer with a wink and a nod despite the knowledge that it's actually racing? Wouldn't a court say, well, you knew realistically that conditions were going to be indistinguishable from racing on the ground? (one for WC perhaps)"

    A very good question. One I don't know the answer to off the top of my head, but warrants some research.

    I do suspect it wasn't just Dave who was after the fastest time for the course, so more than a few will have been treating it as a 'race'...

    Posted 8 years ago #

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