Is it legal, if they only consulted with one set of users?
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Posted 7 years ago #
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Reply from Clarence;
Good Afternoon
I have reported this defect to appropriate team who will inspect in due course
Reference 474736
Kind regards
Clarence
So futile, this kind of thing.
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Reply from IWRATS to Clarence, basically the Parks Dept have solo'd a bit of bike infrastructure, the Active Travel dudes have washed their hands of the whole thing and IWRATS has got on his mid-sized horse;
Clarence,
Thanks for your reply, but this doesn't answer my query in the least, indeed it raises further queries;
* Has this work been carried out in line with Transport Scotland's Cycling By Design guidelines? (Hint: It clearly hasn't.)
* Was a public consultation carried out before the carriageway was damaged? If not, why not?
* Who is responsible for the remediation of this damage to the national cycle network?
* What is the process for beginning the remediation of this work?I look forward to your reply. I naturally don't expect you to have answers to each of these four questions, but I'd be grateful if you could pass my mail on to whoever can answer them.
Thanks in advance,
IWRATS
----Original Message----
HiWRATS
Hope this response answers your query
Clarence
----Original Message----
From: Parks Guy
Sent: 06 April 2017 11:52
To: Bicycle Guy, ClarenceSubject: RE: National Cycle Route 1 at Magdalene
Hi,
I have enclosed photos of the rumble strips within the park .These area part of several measures taken to try to make cyclist aware that there are other users within the park there is also measures to prevent pedestrians accessing directly on to the path at crossing points .
As for the rumble strips I have enclosed photos of them . Although they were laid into concert some of the bricks have become loose and we have discussed this with the contractor a these will be fixed prior to completion .
Parks Guy
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From: Bicycle Guy
Sent: 05 April 2017 17:35
To: ClarenceSubject: RE: National Cycle Route 1 at Magdalene
Hi, this is not an Active Travel team project. It is being delivered by the local area team: [i]Someoneelse (copied in to this email) who will be better able to advise on this.
Cheers
Bicycle Guy
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IWRATS, have you inadvertently included the name of the Parks Guy in the original message from the Bikes Guy?
Posted 7 years ago # -
@davidsondave
Woops. You are correct.
@chdot
Could you Tippex that for me please?
Posted 7 years ago # -
Too late! I already found someoneelse's house and replaced their driveway with poorly laid rumble strips ;)
Posted 7 years ago # -
as I was bumping across them the other day, it did make me wonder that given they seem to offer approx 3-5mm of raised height (in order to produce the rumble), why couldnt they just have used the same warning/rumble paint you get on roads which seems to offer to same level of height / annoyingness.
It would be;
- cheaper than bricks.
- quicker to install, so even more cheaperer.
- not involve cutting the once lovely smooth tarmac.Posted 7 years ago # -
I should watch it really - nearly fell off tramlining on the fully compliant tactile slabs on the Meadows today.
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Went along this section of the path today. Have also sent an email to Clarence.
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Kid(s) throwing stones at cyclists in Bingham (from by the bridge over the Water) around 1830 today
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Response from Parks Guy to IWRATE's questions;
Has this work been carried out in line with Transport Scotland's Cycling By Design guidelines? (Hint: It clearly hasn't.)
As you are aware these are only guidelines and planning and designing of infrastructure involves developing individual site – specific solutions to issues .
The guidelines also state that
Measures to slow cyclists down can include rumble surfaces, SLOW markings (Diag 1058.1) or staggered barriers. If staggered (chicane) barriers are used, the arrangement
should be designed to slow cyclists rather than force them to dismount (refer to Figure 6.14).
Was a public consultation carried out before the carriageway was damaged? If not, why not?
During an extensive consultation period which lasted over 2 years . the first round of consultation was to identify the area that the locals resident wanted the new play area in . We undertook a wide consultation to obtain as many views as possible every resident receiving a letter. Staff meet people on the street and within the park to make them aware of the project and infill the survey , Poster were also put up in the glen asking for opinions via a web page or by letter .
Stage 2 was to take the information and design the park again this was then taken back to residents and posted within the park .Information was made available via local wed sites local councillors distribution via local groups and posters were again put up within the park , we attended public meetings where view on the equipment and other issues within the park were raised .
One of the major issues raised at these meeting was the speed and inconsideration of some cyclists . We then designed in measures to make both pedestrians , cyclist and other users aware of each other . Plan 3 was finally agreed and circulated.
This was made available to locals and posted on a web page
Who is responsible for the remediation of this damage to the national cycle network?
As in previous correspondence we are aware of the loose bricks and these will be corrected at the end of the contact
What is the process for beginning the remediation of this work?As above
__________________________________________________________So it looks like you can lay bricks on the National Network with impunity. Any ideas what we could do about this? Who to ask to take it on?
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The several "No Cycling" signs painted on the path, including key accesses to Asda/Ft Kinnaird, are the worst offenders and are not enforceable under the Land Reform Act / Right of Responsible Access.
I notice at least one of them has already had the 'No' part removed.
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IWRATS - coming at this from a cycling angle is unlikely to be successful, as it looks like we are bleating about "speed bumps", which otherwise law abiding motorists have to deal with. Concern for wheelchair users and the less mobile might be a better approach - the bricks could pose a trip/slip hazard and don't appear in guidance on tactile paving surfaces - could be confusing for partially sighted pedestrians:
Given the works seem to have been carried out by the council, the new batch of councillors would seem the best people to approach. What better way to let them know what the next few years have in store for them.
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Path just east of the tunnel has had a good bit of weed encroachment scraped off.
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I noticed that. Although I never like the term weeds outside gardens. Interesting plants there
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They left some nettles in random clumps
Posted 7 years ago # -
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Eli's inane rambling (@Eli_App_D)
03/05/2017, 7:40 am
@bigrainyday @CyclingEdin @magdaleneCC I've stopped using the path. Speed bumps, kids running in front of the bike, dogs running in front of the bike. Gone back to the road. :("
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@Morningsider
Thanks for that considered advice. I shall follow it. It's quite Likely that Derek Howie will be one of my councillors - he's the blind gentleman that @Roibeard tandem-ed to PoP. If he isn't symapthetic to objections to random brickwork in paths who will be?
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Previously mentioned path scraping in advance of lamp-post installs I believe.
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Previously mentioned path scraping in advance of lamp-post installs I believe.
This is how it looks. They are installing some sort of cable along there. There was a man sitting in a van with the engine running this morning.
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Just been through the Milton underpass to Duddingston Park South section. Brick strips mildly annoying, but much more annoying are the very prominent No Cycling signs painted on all the side paths. Is this official? Does it have any legal force?
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emailed about it.
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Very quick response this morning: "We have had several emails about the no cycling markings there which were installed in error and are due to be removed." and "These are due to be removed shortly and I will chase this up to ensure that it is done to avoid any unnecessary conflicts between users."
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Glad someone at the council is responding to emails about this - I sent one in mid April which hasn't been replied to yet, despite being chased up.
Posted 7 years ago # -
The bits of the Innocent path by the new wee parks have quickly become focal points for broken glass.
Posted 7 years ago # -
AAAAAAAAAAArrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does anyone know (presumably in CEC) who is in charge / responsible for the 'improvements' on the Innocent ? I can only assume its someone who hates cyclists.
After the pointless, poorly installed rumble strips and the gallons of equally pointless paint, now this - remarkably pointless chicane appeared today.
Any antisocial issues, which are thankfully few, are not caused by cyclists. It's out of control dogs/irresponsible owners, lots of broken glass, future jailbirds throwing rocks or bottles, flytipping and the odd stolen moped.
How much has been spent on these improvements ?? Pls don't says its out of the active travel budget.
Surely it must be possible to speak to the people in CEC who are implementing these initiatives ??
Really, does anyone know who or how to find out ????? I'll have calmed down by then.
i could go on.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Is that one of the cuts-through to the Magdalenes?
Posted 7 years ago # -
Iron work looks nice
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