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"End this deadly phone epidemic now"

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  1. I were right about that saddle
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    @nobrakes

    I'm not sure I want my fellow citizens to think of me as a pedal-powered spy drone as I'm cycling around. Relationships netween citizens using bikes and citizens using cars are surely tense enough as it is.

    I've read that the only thing that reduces the level of any given crime is the perceived risk of detection. Doubling prospective punishment doesn't do anything, doubling the perceived risk of getting caught does a lot.

    Thing is catching people means either us assuming a police function or the state assuming police funtions. The state assuming any function seems to be out of fashion - I'd suggest we try to get it back in fashion. If we're going to killed by a fellow citizen the probability is that the instrument involved will be a motor vehicle. It's proper that the state should regulate and police how they are used.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. nobrakes
    Member

    @IWRATS I understand what you are saying, it is better for us all to see each other as friends rather than enemies. I do personally believe though that a cultural shift is required, and this needs more stick than carrot.

    I think as a species we are becoming more selfish, angry and prone to not caring about others. Today I was returning from a ride and was about to turn right off the A7 into our drive. I'm 2/3 of the way towards the middle white line, am indicating right and also have my bike indicator flashing, which is brighter than most motorbike indicators. I look in my mirror as I am about to turn, and see the guy behind me starting to overtake. The only reason I wasn't hit was that I saw him coming and jammed on the brakes. Not one but two cars decide to pass me. A few weeks ago, I was driving through Morningside and gestured to another driver to let her our from a side street. She pulls out and flips me the finger.

    When faced with such wanton selfishness and downright dangerous driving, I still say that, until the 'car is king' culture is changed at a fundamental level, we need to bring about that change using every means at our disposal. Best way I can think of is cameras and prosecution. This would as you say increase the perceived risk of punishment. I would rather have car drivers dislike me knowing i am filming them and have my kids feel safe on the road any day over the current situation.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. chdot
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  4. Harts Cyclery
    Member

    This should be shared across social media.

    http://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/tragic-video-trucker-kills-family-phone-a34-crash/

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. neddie
    Member

    Drivers in England, Scotland and Wales caught using a mobile phone for the first time will automatically receive penalty points, under government plans.

    Previously, motorists in some police force areas could avoid points by taking a remedial driving course.

    But ministers believe it is not a tough enough measure to deter people from using a hand-held phone while driving.
    They have also confirmed plans to raise fines for offences from £100 to £200 and penalty points from three to six.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37917087

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. acsimpson
    Member

    But what is really needed is more enforcement. Until drivers think that they might be caught the size of penalty is largely irrelevant.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. neddie
    Member

    Drivers caught using a phone within two years of passing their test will have their licence revoked under new rules

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39118523

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. Ed1
    Member

    I am not sure what the difference is between someone using integrated I pad in dash board with the same interface as a mobile phone to work a phone or using a handheld. Either touch screen interfaces should be banned when driving or not.

    If someone uses a hand held device that can also receive phone calls that is attached to the dash on a holder, this is illegal, yet if someone uses the exact same interface that is built in to the dash then its legal.

    If someone using their I pad to play to skip song this is legal if they use the same function on the same interface on an I phone to change tune it’s not.

    What needs change is legislation to keep up with technology initially hand held phones were considered unsafe as one hand off wheel. Now most phone activity may not relate to calls but using the touch pad for text maps music etc, this is exactly the same if using a built in E pad or the similar my ford touch or whatever bespoke version the manufacture has fitted.

    The hand held device problem with diminish more and more newer cars have built in touch screens but the safety problem may not as its taking eyes of road to work a swipe screen that may cause crash. On old cars devices all tactile on new cars can even operate the volume or station without using non tactile touch screen buttons in some cars.

    I suppose the problem with the legislation is that it is arbitrary, as comes down is the touch screen built in or not, if not does it the capability to receive calls. So 3 devices with same interface working the same functions 2 legal 1 not.

    Would tend to think touch screens should be banned from being used in cars when driving. The trouble is if rules don't come in to force soon on this more of the existing cars on the road with have touch screens, then the normal pragmatic approach by UK gov would just effects new cars then end up with stock of cars that be around for next 15 years with unsafe devices that are legal to use if already fitted.

    In Germany as oppose to uk new legislation sometimes effects all cars such as no non cat cars on the autoban even if car is 30 years old and not fitted etc. Apart from the London van and truck euro rules most legislation in uk is on registration date.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. twq
    Member

    @Ed1 I worry we're about to enter a dark ages - incidents caused by distracted drivers are going to increase sharply as more vehicles use this "smart" tech. At least until self-driving cars become a reality!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    The injustice of losing your driving licence for ONE MEASLY TEXT MESSAGE.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

  12. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    http://road.cc/content/news/244882-police-officer-father-driver-accused-killing-carol-boardman-intervened

    'A senior police officer whose son is on trial for causing the death by dangerous driving of Carol Boardman attempted to prevent officers from interviewing his daughter-in-law about the fatal crash, a court has been told.'

    I will refrain from saying what I think until the conclusion of the case.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  13. gembo
    Member

    from the same article [relating to the accused and his wife on the phone to each other possibly whilst the husband is driving his vehicle]

    On Monday, Mold Crown Court was told that the pair exchanged several phone calls in the run-up to the fatal crash, the last one terminated an estimated four seconds before the collision.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  14. Stickman
    Member

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-wales-44806460

    "A husband and wife have been cleared of attempting to pervert the course of justice after the death of Olympic cyclist Chris Boardman's mother."

    Posted 2 months ago #
  15. gembo
    Member

    I smell masons?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  16. neddie
    Member

    I note the BBC have updated the language used in that article:

    Previously it said, "died after falling off her bike". Now it says, "died after a collision with a vehicle while on her bike"

    I wonder if some vociferous cycle twitterati corrected the BBC in their grossly inhuman manner of reporting?

    I mean "falling off her bike"!?, conveniently omitting that she died because she was run over by an enormous pick-up truck

    Posted 2 months ago #
  17. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Some details I haven't seen elsewhere here:

    https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/driver-could-avoided-hitting-carol-14892518

    Posted 2 months ago #
  18. neddie
    Member

    "struck by a Mitsubishi Warrior"

    I think the word "Warrior" about says it all really.

    Posted 2 months ago #

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