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Easter Road/Carrington consultation

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  1. Stickman
    Member

    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-easter-road/

    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-carrington-road/

    Closes 18 November.

    (Easter Road plans incorrectly labelled)

    Carrington Road plans look promising.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. jonty
    Member

    Interesting decision to ban the left turn onto Easter Road. It makes abstract sense - just look at how often motorists blast through a red light when turning left at Nicholson Square - but surely compliance will be atrocious? Making it one way surely makes more sense and would allow more space to put the crossing in the right place for people and bikes.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. Frenchy
    Member

    Council's link to feedback on the Carrington Road proposal takes me to a survey on McDonald Road. Presume it's not just me?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. Klaxon
    Member

    Brunswick Rd comment
    I support the new layout for pedestrians and cycles but fear that the left turn ban into Easter Rd will in practice be unenforceable. I would prefer to see Brunswick Rd made one way (in the direction of Leith Walk) with a cycle contra-flow as far as Elgin Terrace. Passing is already very hard here, and there is often a 'stand off' between a car and a bin lorry requiring the car to reverse and give room.

    Will be supporting the Carrington plan unconditionally once they fix the survey link.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. jonty
    Member

    Oh just noticed the Carrington Road one. Cool! A few thoughts:

    - Can't help feeling crossing the middle junction would freak me out compared to doing so on the road. A bit more visual continuity would be nice I think? At least this road is likely to have regular users who are likely to get the hang of it quite quickly (or become used to bullying cyclists out of the way...)
    - The junction between Inverleith Park is well handled by Edinburgh infrastructure standards
    - The junction at the Craigleith side is a bit of a joke. Achieving subjective safety by forcing people to sit in the middle of two flows of moving traffic? Nah. Facilities would have been better sited on the other side, although appreciate space might be limited there.
    - Isn't this incredibly wide road the perfect place for two one-way lanes, one on either side?

    Either way, I wouldn't be surprised to see some high-profile objections to this one...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    Of course this should all have been done before they put up the 'quiet route' signs - but it generally looks good.

    Of course there will be LOTS of objections if it results in fewer parking spaces!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. gibbo
    Member

    For Carrington Rd to be more "cycle attractive", they could make it easier to cycle into Inverleith Park.

    Those narrow paved areas to the side of the gates are pretty rubbish. Coming in via Carrington Rd, you end up coming round a corner where you can't see what's coming, and they can't see you.

    At the other end (Arboretum Pl), I often find dog walkers are standing there blocking it, or as I exit, there are people standing on the pavement just outside the park.

    Why not just throw open the gates properly?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. Stickman
    Member

    The Carrington Road plan will be a test for the NIMBYs. There aren't any houses on the side of the road the lane is planned for and there won't be any impact on traffic, so the only objections will be about moving some parking spaces. The plans suggest there will be a net loss of 4 spaces, as some will be moved into Fettes Avenue/East Fettes Avenue. They can't complain about the other part of the plan, putting a signalised crossing next to a park and school surely?

    It should be a quick and easy project to do: shift some parking spaces up and put in some segregation. The design of the junction with Crewe Road needs work, but otherwise it *should* be uncontroversial.

    But T.I.E.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. crowriver
    Member

    Have filled out the questionnaire on Easter Road. This will be an important improvement. They should really sort out Brunswick Road too as Klaxon suggests, but if they manage to do what they propose it will be better, for pedestrians as well as cyclists.

    The Carrington Road proposals are very welcome too, so as soon as the link is fixed I'll be supporting them too.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. Stickman
    Member

    The link for the Carrington Road response has been corrected.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Supported Easter Road plans also. It can be quite an intimidating crossing to make and this should improve thigns greatly. Although given the amount of new traffic soon to appear on Brunswick Road once all the flats are built, it still means that there's no complete, relatively safe through route between Lochend Park direction and McDonland Road / the NEPN.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. wangi
    Member

    If only the compactor were to close...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Can't be long now, Wangi!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin

    "Can't be long now"

    Aye.

    (That's what we have been saying for years!)

    No idea if there are proper plans/costings to replace the rail track with the ultimate NEPN 'missing link'.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. crowriver
    Member

    Have completed the Carrington Road survey, supporting the proposals as they will make this road much, much safer for cyclists and will also improve the situation for pedestrians.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. gkgk
    Member

    Sorry for beginner question but what's "the compactor"? Is it a bad road junction or an actual compactor?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. Klaxon
    Member

    It's referring to Powderhall Waste Transfer Depot, where the bin lorries of Edinburgh deposit their contents to be compacted into shipping containers.

    These containers are sent six days a week by rail to the landfill site south-east of Dunbar.

    Once Powderhall closes there's no reason for that rail branch to stay open and hypothetically Chancelot path can be extended out all the way to Meadowbank via Leith Walk and Easter Rd. A useful link, when it comes.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  18. Rob
    Member

    It's a shame it stops just at a conflict point. Hopefully the left turn ban will mean less oncoming traffic to force you uncomfortably close to parked cars.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  19. davidsonsdave
    Member

    Some thoughts on the Carrington Road scheme which is of interest to me as I use Carrington Road as part of my route to take the little ones to Inverleith Park/Botanic Gardens:

    1. At 2.2m the width is below the minimum specified in the Sustrans Guidance and the Governments Cycle infrastructure design guidance. I use this route towing a child trailer which is 0.9m wide so would have concerns about hitting the kerb, other bikes/trailers coming the opposite way and overtaking bikes.

    2. The scheme isn't proposing to do anything regarding the access to Inverleith Park. Negotiating the entrance on bike is already tricky. With a trailer it is a complete pain and this will get much worse if this scheme encourages more folk to travel by bike (which I hope it will).

    3. Coming from the Crewe Road South side, the island in the middle of the road could quickly become congested if there are a few bikes there at the same time. A bit like the Hope Park Crescent lane, it also looks like they haven't allowed enough room for a bike with a trailer to perform the 90 degree turn which could leave me stuck half-in and half-out in a live traffic stream.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  20. Frenchy
    Member

    At 2.2m the width is below the minimum specified

    I was slightly concerned about the 0.5m gap to the parked cars, but the scheme as a whole seems to be a large improvement, although I've never actually been down Carrington Road.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

    "Why not just throw open the gates properly?"

    Because people would drive in.

    But there must be a better way than this -

    Posted 1 year ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    Carrington Road yesterday -

    Posted 1 year ago #
  23. Stickman
    Member

    "Why not just open the gates properly?"

    Looks like they are planning just that:

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17097

    Posted 1 year ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

  25. wingpig
    Member

    Seeing as there's a 0.5m kerb between the road and the cycleway I'll grudgingly accept the 2.2m for now with a recommendation to widen it on the bends and at the ends(see also Mckelvie Parade).

    "- The junction at the Craigleith side is a bit of a joke."

    The only bit I'm going to recommend not bothering with for now is the red-paint-across-the-road-into-the-gutter-on-Craigleith-Hill-Avenue - there is usually something parked on the left within thirty metres, so I aim further north. They can paint the junction properly later when there's something on the west of it to join up.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  26. Klaxon
    Member

    Carrington Road
    Changes to be included:
     We shall add an eastbound cycle lane across the junction of Crewe Road South.
     We shall also add a ‘keep clear’ area to Carrington Road between the right turn cycle lane and the segregated cycleway entrance. We shall also adjust the right turn lane area so that it is closer to the cycleway. Lengthen and widen weighting area.
     We will consider an early cycle release, to help people cycling cross the junction ahead of traffic.
     We shall remove the guardrail and parking outside this entrance. In place of the parking we shall install a build out of the pavement and install dropped kerbs for cycle and
    wheelchair access. To improve crossing conditions, we will also add build outs and dropped kerbs on the west side of the street, either side of the entrance to the police station.
     We shall add dropped kerbs on the west side of East Fettes Avenue, south of the proposed toucan crossing. This will allow people cycling to use the crossing or to make the right turn into Inverleith Park without using the crossing.
     We will consider locations for bike parking.
     We shall consider ways to increase the capacity of the waiting island for situations of multiple people cycling and bikes with trailers.
     To ensure ease of access for people cycling re-joining the carriageway, at the junction of East Fettes Avenue and Carrington Road, we shall widen the break the segregation to
    4m.
     We shall add build outs at the entrance ways to Fettes School, as requested by the school (see consultation feedback below). These build outs shall be placed on both
    sides of the road and include dropped kerbs and informal crossings of the cycleway.
     We shall extend the double yellow lines at the west end of Carrington Road to ensure the cycleways will not be blocked.
     At the junction of Carrington Road and East Fettes Avenue, we shall move the proposed raised table to be in line with the junction mouth. At the same junction we shall increase
    the width of the entrance gap to the cycleway to improve access for people cycling.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    Does any or all of that represent and satisfy the views of anyone on here who commented?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  28. himupstairs
    Member

    The main improvement I and others seem to have suggested was the inclusion of a segregated directional lane on either side of Carrington road.

    This seems to still be absent.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  29. davidsonsdave
    Member

    Recieved today:

    CARRINGTON ROAD WALK AND CYCLE IMPROVEMENTS

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    I’m writing to you concerning the delay in the development of the designs for Carrington Road. You
    kindly responded to our consultation on the scheme back in Summer 2016.
    In the consultation documents we indicated our intention to complete the designs to the point where
    they are ready for a second consultation, with those whom expressed interest, and potential
    construction in 2017/18.
    Taking into account the feedback from consultation, the designs have been further refined.
    Unfortunately however, the project has had to be put on hold due to a lack of staff resources. As such
    we are not currently able to progress this scheme to completion of the detailed design and reissue it for
    consultation.
    It is our intention recommence the design process once staff resources permit. The consultation that we
    have already undertaken has been very useful in refining the designs and these will remain as part of
    the design process once the scheme is taken forward again.
    We appreciate your patience in the delay of delivering this project and hope to be to recommence work
    on it as soon as is possible.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  30. gembo
    Member

    See same delays in other threads, although this one is in the longest grass. Well the meadows to castle Tce will be mothballed as the meadows to George st could hang left at Royal mileand go down Johnston Tce and still be quite quiet except at tattoo

    Posted 3 months ago #

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