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Sustrans Route 1 - Ferry Toll path

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  1. DaveC
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    To: info@Transport.gov.scot
    From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxx

    My dearest Transport bods,

    I see the cycle path out the south end of Inverkeithing (Sustrans Route 1, numero Uno, Primary cycle path), onto the (old) Forth Bridge has been moved and very nearly completed, except for the final tarmac. Its currently a Cyclocross course with portage (google it!) and gravel traps! (I believe the Scottish National Cyclocross Association are considering using it on an event this winter). I now see that the construction staff have moved on to tarmacking & re-tarmacking another section of the temporary and moving gyratory which will become the new Ferry Toll junction of the M90.

    I'm emailing to ask 'Could you not just finish the bloody cycle path with a bit of tarmac!?!?!?'

    Yours in considerable gratitude should this path be finished soon,

    Dave Xxxxxxxx

    (cycle commuter)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. paddyirish
    Member

    Dearest Dave XXXXXXXX,

    We'll deal with your silly path when we've pandered to every need of the polluterscar owners. In 6 months time we'll see if there is any budget left.

    In the meantime, get off your bl00dy bike and walk like we told you to.

    Lots of love,
    Transport bods

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. DaveC
    Member

    Your e-mail will now be forwarded to the appropriate person within the agency for them to take any action. If a response is required this will be given within 20 working days.

    Thank you.

    Transport Scotland:

    0141 272 7100

    hmm.....

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. paddyirish
    Member

    hmm indeed.

    Nothing in a month's time, I'll bet and still a mess. It is dodgy in the dark, especially as someone seems to enjoy pulling out/down the odd barrier there...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. DaveC
    Member

    not to mention eejits cycling on the right hand side of the path in the dark. "MOVE TO THE LEFT", appears to fix that at times!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. acsimpson
    Member

    Wow, I have been avoiding the incomplete path and taking the other bad choice of waiting for the southbound slip road to clear before using it to join the roundabout. However tonight heading home from Rosyth direction I thought I would find out exactly what would be on offer if I followed the signed route for cyclists. Coming from Rosyth I didn't see a single cyclists dismount sign but that was pretty much the only positive.

    The route starts at a the foot of Castlandhill road with a Toucan crossing (the other positive). The surface almost immediately becomes compacted hardcore with raised manholes surrounded with sand. Too keep you awake you then have to pass through a pair of shoulder width portals either side of the motorway slip road (Even the SNCA wouldn't consider that on their courses)before it spits you out in front of any busses who are using the park and ride. It carefully routes you behind the Park and ride building so that you can't see any buses which are coming before releasing you straight onto the road without warning.

    At this point I didn't see any signs so had to guess at turning right and heading to the entrance where I could pick up the compacted path again. Now heading towards Inverkeithing I crossed the zebra crossing and finally turned back towards where I wanted to be. As DaveC has said the path then does a series of wiggles round some barriers and other obstacles before rejoining the old path.

    Other than the road crossings and bus forecourt it would actually make quite a nice (if short) route at a trail centre. As a commuter route though it's more like sticking the traffic from the M90 down a farm track.

    I'll be sticking to using the roundabout and if Transport Scotland don't want cyclists in the way of their deity then they'll need to think again.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. gembo
    Member

    @acsimpson, we followed those signs a couple of Sunday's ago a very long way round. Was early Sunday morning so not much traffic, I think if we do the three bridges route again we will ignore)

    The third bridge is just over the carron so not as spectacular. There is a fourth bridge currently closed to motor vehicles at the bo.'ness end of Grangemouth. The workmen were not happy with us but any other route through Grangemouth is hellish and there is a fietsclub rule that the third road closed sign is the one to ignore.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. minus six
    Member

    it wouldn't be an exaggeration to call the current / emerging situation disgraceful, but lets face it they do not care one iota.

    I'll be sticking to using the roundabout

    Seconded.

    Its a bit of a three lane carve up southbound, but the alternative is laughable

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. fiefster
    Member

    This morning, coming from Inverkeithing and tiring of the implicit frustration of car drivers being mildly delayed by me climbing the southbound on-ramp at Ferrytoll (hopping onto the path at the dropped kerb half way up) I decided to negotiate the cyclocross track instead. Regretfully, I suspect this is where I gathered a brass drawing pin in my rear tyre as discovered when I dealt with the ensuing puncture at the truck layby. Rogue pin board escapee or nefariously placed? Thanks for all the offers of support from fellow travellers.

    Second puncture on NEPN at Craigleith on rear wheel again, couldn't find a culprit this time but needed to patch as spare inner already used. Not as many offers of help here but I might have looked like I knew what I was doing?

    Not a good commute today but at least it was a nice morning.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. paddyirish
    Member

    @gembo

    "There is a fourth bridge currently closed to motor vehicles at the bo.'ness end of Grangemouth. The workmen were not happy with us but any other route through Grangemouth is hellish and there is a fietsclub rule that the third road closed sign is the one to ignore. "

    Wish I'd read that before yesterday's ride. Workmen were fine when we asked permission, probably because at ~8am they were just having their pre-work cuppa.

    If the new bridge is indeed opened to cyclists, I have my eye on a 5 Forth bridges route,

    Starting from Fife
    Over the current FRB Southbound
    Over Clackmannan Bridge Northbound
    Over the Stirling Bridge Southbound
    Over the Kincardine Bridge Northbound
    Over the new Bridge Southbound

    Could take the train home from Dalmeny for a dubious sixth Forth bridge...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. deckard112
    Member

    Have to admit I've not been using the 'cyclo-cross' path when heading southbound and I've not had any hassle from other road users yet onto the bottom part of the slip. Yesterday though when the traffic was queued up to the gyratory I dived off the road onto it and was still quicker than waiting in the queue despite the horrible surface.

    Northbound however I've been using it riding it very tentatively but the zebra crossing bit is brutal! Off camber, gritty and slippy...not nice.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. paddyirish
    Member

    @deckard112, I think there are very few who use the path southbound. Touch wood, I am yet to have any grief.

    Know of quite a few who use the roundabout + its extensions to head Northbound, as the path is so bad.

    Agree that the path gets worse the further north you go, though the (sentient) barriers have been known to move into the path further nearer the bridge as well.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. DaveC
    Member

    PaddyIrish "Over the new Bridge Southbound"

    The Queensferry Crossing? Surely not?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. paddyirish
    Member

    @Dave C

    My understanding was that it was to be open to cyclists/walkers for 1 week prior to cars being allowed and then taken away for ever. So that would be the only week the ride was possible...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. DaveC
    Member

    Great I'll organise a 1400km Audax that week then! Anyone know how long it will be ? I need to calulate the number of crossings.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  16. Frenchy
    Member

    2,700 metres according to wikipedia (1400km=519 crossings).

    @paddyirish - it seems a shame to go all that way and not do the extra few miles necessary to cross the A9 and A91 bridges in Stirling too. Maybe even the footbridge to Cambuskenneth too - although that's an even number of crossings in Stirling, so messes the overall route up a bit more.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  17. acsimpson
    Member

    I'm sure Aberfoyle is within reach for some on this forum. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity after all.

    Wikipedia doesn't mention the altitude gain on the roadway. Would anyone care to guess the number of crossings required for to Everest the Queesnferry crossing.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  18. acsimpson
    Member

    If you wanted to minimise the number of cyclists using the Forth Road Bridge would you make any changes to the design at the start of this video?

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    It looks like at least 5 toucan crossings and a reasonable diversion on the shared use route from FRB to Rosyth.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  19. minus six
    Member

    notably no cyclists skirting the interchange in their video

    its a jealous god, this Transport Scotland deity.

    thou shalt not commit bikery

    Posted 8 years ago #
  20. biggles1982
    Member

    acsimpson - that's exactly what I was thinking grab the Everest title and see if you can get the Strava KOM as well then you'll have it for eternity.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  21. HankChief
    Member

    Or until Willie Rennie heads home from POP2017 ;-)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  22. paddyirish
    Member

    Like everyone's style here. A multiple crossings ride really does appeal - I wonder if it could be combined with the Ainster- North Berwick Ferry?

    Everesting will be tricky - with current Strava settings. On current FRB you ride on water and then jump 50m back onto land... My guess is that the actual height gain is ~ 20m heading South and ~15m going North? Anyone know any better?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  23. panyagua
    Member

    @paddyirish

    If you use a Garmin GPS (other brands are available) with barometric altimeter, it will use this in preference to the map data, so the actual bridge elevation is shown. It can be improved by setting a known elevation point.

    See for example here:

    https://www.strava.com/activities/763414252

    Height gain approx 27m heading north

    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. SimonS
    Member

    How about this as a first draft for (nearly) every bridge on the forth?

    http://www.strava.com/routes/6938429

    Start at Dalmeny. A detour into the Bathgate Alps to bump the route over 200km then every crossing of the Forth except the Stirling railway bridge and the M9.

    There are two sections that might not be suitable for road bikes. The path to the cycle/foot bridge alongside the M9 and the old railway path north from Buchlyvie towards Aberfoyle.

    Given that we will not have too much notice of the available dates for the Queensferry crossing I would think that this would best be done as a DIY mandatory GPS?

    As it finishes in Inverkeithing you can nab the Rail bridge (the 21st crossing) on the way back to the start.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  25. Frenchy
    Member

    Is that bridge just to the east of the M9 crossable? Doesn't look like it from the Google Street View taken from the M9.

    Would this be better in its own thread?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  26. panyagua
    Member

    @SimonS

    Great work. I'd love to do this if the QC opening to cyclists coincides with a window in my diary.

    @Frenchy

    OSM shows it as a cycle path, even though on StreetView it looks as though it just carries a pipe. Hopefully doesn't require Danny McAskill-esque skills to cross it.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  27. amir
    Member

    @SimonS for an even longer route, perhaps it could include the ferry crossing between Anstuther and N Berwick.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  28. Frenchy
    Member

    There are two sections that might not be suitable for road bikes. The path to the cycle/foot bridge alongside the M9 and the old railway path north from Buchlyvie towards Aberfoyle.

    This website says that the Buchlyvie-Aberfoyle path is tarmac on the north side of the Forth, and on the south is "rough gravel, which drains reasonably well, so it’s never too wet." Also confirms that there is a bridge over the Forth here, which isn't actually on OSM (yet, I'll try and fix it).

    So I think road bikes will survive.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  29. paddyirish
    Member

    I'd definitely be up for this. Thanks @SimonS for route work.

    Looks like there is one more bridge SE of Doon Hill which is just SE of Aberfoyle. Looks like it is accessible by path, what quality I'm not sure...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  30. SimonS
    Member

    Missed that one! it can be included by taking the railway path further north then using this bridge to link to the bridge into Aberfoyle from the south. OpenCyclyMap.org has it as a cycle path.

    Route renamed to Forth's 22nd.

    Posted 8 years ago #

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