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  1. Rosie
    Member

    A first-rate article by DDF about how the coronavirus has changed the long years of consultations to a few days, and how this could be applied in the future.

    "In Scotland, the UK, and indeed around the world, measures to boost cycling and walking, and to restrict or tame motor traffic, are appearing in days or weeks on a ‘try then modify’ basis – rather than the years-long consultations to which councils and the public have become conditioned.

    Many of them are wildly popular, with demands for more and sooner. And it’s not due to any radical new political or technical thinking – it’s all thanks to a virus!

    Covid-19 means that Councils must maximise opportunities for social distancing, and for safe exercise and travel on foot and bike.

    In Edinburgh, funded by the Sustrans and Scottish Government Spaces for People scheme, through-roads such as Silverknowes Road, Braid Road and Cammo Walk were closed – without consultation – within days of the new government Temporary Traffic Order lockdown change of regulations which permitted them. And they have generated wide support.
    ..
    Under traditional thinking, few if any of these closures would have happened at all – and if they had it would have taken an absolute minimum of one year, likely much more, to consult, doubtless undertake ‘traffic modelling’ then be at the mercy of objections to any legally necessary traffic and/or redetermination orders. Instead, a virus and ‘try then modify’ worked their magic!

    There are now 5 day consultations replacing the usual years.
    The excessive time taken to implement some of Edinburgh’s active travel projects has 3 main causes…

    1. Extensive consultations at multiple stages of projects – this is probably the top reason.

    2. .The Scottish Government’s Traffic Regulation Order labyrinth

    3. Staffing – cutbacks and/or staff turnover – experts, or those leading active travel projects, leaving and being hard to replace (consultancies often pay higher wages
    http://www.spokes.org.uk/2020/06/spaces-for-people/

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. Stickman
    Member

    Cameron Toll to Bioquarter report going to council next week:

    https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/s24695/Item%206.6%20-%20Cameron%20Toll%20to%20Edinburgh%20BioQuarter%20Active%20Travel%20Route.pdf

    Planned for completion by Spring 2022.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. Frenchy
    Member

    If anyone can face a consultation on consultations, Transport Scotland are currently consulting on how they consult the public.

    https://www.transport.gov.scot/future-public-engagement/

    It seems to be mostly about sensible Covid-related changes like replacing physical public exhibitions with virtual ones.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. CycleAlex
    Member

    I do hope they consulted on how to arrange the consultation on how to arrange consultations.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    “That’s an absolutely astonishing result,” said Emma Tristram, a Binsted resident. “Highways England tried to stack the dice in their favour and they failed. They’ve shown the consultation is democratic rubbish.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/oct/25/it-feels-like-a-nightmare-sussex-villagers-aghast-at-road-plan

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. Rob
    Member

    Some hope inducing comments added to the John Lewis Warehouse development consultation - https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=QA10IDEWHXN00 -> Documents -> Transport Planning.

    Mentions of continuous footways, more bike parking, better cycle connections.

    Also an interesting note that suggests some previous bike centric sites only have 4% of residents using the bike stores.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  7. toomanybikes
    Member

    Brunstane Road filtered permeability
    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/brunstane-traffic-calming/

    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

    So they’re not calling it an LTZ?

    Never found Brunstane Road busy, but presume it can be at certain times of day.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. davecykl
    Member

    "Transport Scotland and the Scottish Road Research Board are conducting research into people’s experience and views on zebra crossings."

    A 5 minute survey, open until 12th February 2021.

    https://zebracrossingresearch.com/

    (For those who are privacy minded, it seems to be impossible to make the very cryptically embedded survey form appear unless you permit access to one or more dubious tracking/spyware domains on the page (Facebook and/or gravatar), which doesn't seem remotely GDPR compliant. Either that, or it just doesn't like Firefox. Oh well, time to crank up the sacrificial alternative browser.)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. neddie
    Member

    Right folks.

    What consultations are we meant to be doing right now?

    I know there's a few kicking about...

    Please put up some links, so we can all join in the consulting-fun.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  11. neddie
    Member

    Just found one myself:

    "Leith Walk to Ocean Terminal Cycle Route"

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20486#post-345910

    Any others?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  12. CycleAlex
    Member

    Leith LTN + cycle route (you can choose to only respond to one): https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/leith-connections/
    Corstorphine LTN: https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/corstorphine-connections/
    East Craigs LTN + WEL TRO/RSOs: https://westedinburghlink.info/consultation/

    The Leith Walk - Ocean Terminal cycle route generally seems good (segregated and various closures) but is getting some opposition. Would be worth people quickly filling out, even if it's just to express support.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

  14. crowriver
    Member

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    Winter Festivals 2022 Onwards

    The current contract for delivering both events expires in 2022. It is an appropriate opportunity to review both events and to ask businesses, community groups and residents - those who have attended the festivals and those who haven’t - how they wish to celebrate Christmas and Hogmanay from 2022 onwards.

    The Council wishes to engage in an open public conversation about the future of these events, to listen to feedback from residents and to ensure that the future of the winter festivals achieves the right balance for those living and working in Edinburgh.

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    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/winterfestivals/

    Closes 19 May 2021

    Posted 3 years ago #
  15. Frenchy
    Member

    Worth posting this here too:

    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/bi/retainingspacesforpeopleconsultation/

    Consultation on which Spaces for People projects people think should be made permanent.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  16. fimm
    Member

    https://www.highstreettweak.co.uk/#about
    Of interest if you live in Gorgie/Dalry or Dalkeith.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  17. SRD
    Moderator

    Just a reminder that the spaces for people consultation has been extended. Would be great to see lots of responses. Good to see it open to all ages, since children are particular beneficiaries of it. We’ve been using our exercise period to inspect local installations, so as to make an informed response.

    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/bi/retainingspacesforpeopleconsultation/

    Closes 21 March

    Posted 3 years ago #
  18. chdot
    Admin

    “We’ve been using our exercise period to inspect local installations, so as to make an informed response.“

    VERY GOOD!!

    Photo report here?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  19. ejstubbs
    Member

    @SRD: I think the consultation was originally scheduled to close 21st March . Going back in today to tweak my response before submitting it I see it has been extended to 5th April.

    Regarding the questions about which SfP schemes you'd like to see retained: I've selected my favourite five of the ones local to me (largely because I have little or no experience of the ones further afield), but does anyone know if clicking the "Most or all" radio button will remove those choices from the consultation response as it is seen/analysed? (They're still shown on the screen, not greyed-out, if you click the radio button). I was just hoping that I could use both options, as a sort of "Most or all, but these ones in particular" response.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  20. Dave
    Member

    I would select most or all, then provide your 'in particular' in the free text entry later. That way the headline figure that n% support most or all of the schemes is reinforced, and if there is some question over one of your 'particular' schemes, your comment can still be highlighted by the team if they need to show some evidence of particular support.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  21. Morningsider
    Member

    When completing a survey, I always stop and think "What is the headline here?". There will be one result, one figure that matters more than anything else, and that is the one thing that makes it into a news headline. Almost nothing else matters.

    If you are a politician presented with a huge analysis report, what do you want to know? Probably "Is this popular?" Some may dive in and want to know the detail, but the headline nearly always wins out.

    It is more important to tick the right boxes, than labour over a free text answer. In this case - I want everything retained, I want nothing removed. I'm not saying "Don't do it", but I wouldn't get hung up on trying to draft the perfect response. Ultimately, it is really a matter of getting more people in favour of SfP measures to respond than those who are against.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  22. Rosie
    Member

    SPACES FOR PEOPLE - deadline 5 April.

    Spokes' detailed response here:-

    http://www.spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/2104-Spokes-SfP-supplement-to-stakeholder-consultation.pdf

    Posted 3 years ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    “It’s quite an unusual level of undermining of a consultation like this.

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19367823.edinburgh-cycle-lanes-online-bot-submitted-18-000-fake-responses/

    Posted 2 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    Consultations can be useful to gather ideas
    ... but useless to assess overall population opinion

    People aged under 45 formed 68% of the population here but only 13% of consultation responses

    Children and young people (under 30) almost entirely unrepresented

    https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1411265900951506945

    Posted 2 years ago #
  25. Rosie
    Member

    A consultation on simplifying the consultation procedure! How meta is that.

    Deadline 30 July

    https://www.transport.gov.scot/consultation/traffic-regulation-order-review-consultation/?fbclid=IwAR1_4SqPmXFgV2DMaCnFdvg7tFubS3XatbbEpKasoIeXFHr688IZw2PYnuU

    Spokes is making a detailed response by email.

    Draft here:-

    http://www.spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/2107-Scotgov-TRO-consultn-spokes-response-v2.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3pr9MGB41gXQrgUt0UPHvs8Fk24jahGz-L5LM5jEr0ulL7HWYfpfce8xg

    Spokes suggests that punters respond to the Q&A bit of the consultation.

    Points to note are:-
    • Most of the questions are yes/no or agree/disagree. You will probably find the answers to these fairly obvious.

    • There are 3 open-ended questions (7,8,11). If you are in a hurry, you can even leave these blank. If you have a bit more time, check out our draft responses. The government could make the changes we suggest in Q8 & Q11 very quickly, though our main Q7 point would have to wait for a new Transport Act.

    • In Q7, our main point is that 18 months is too short to allow proper trialling of a scheme, including testing modifications made during the course of the experiment.
    • Q8 tackles the cause of the CCWEL 2-year delay. We believe local Councils should have the power to make local decisions on things like loading restrictions, rather than objections having to be referred to the government.

    • Q11 is also important, and refers to another type of Order, Redetermination Orders (RSOs), which again mean that objections on the most minor of aspects have to be sent to government for a decision instead of being taken locally – this was another factor in the CCWEL 2-year delay. In England and Wales there are no RSO regulations at all. Councils are able to make these decisions for themselves.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  26. crowriver
    Member

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    Edinburgh Economy Strategy
    Closes 22 Oct 2021
    Opened 28 Jul 2021

    The City of Edinburgh Council are seeking to hear the views of Edinburgh businesses, residents and stakeholders that support the city economy about the issues, priorities and actions to be taken forward to meet the needs of Edinburgh’s economy through recovery from pandemic and other long-term challenges.

    The findings from the consultation and final draft documents will be brought for consideration by the Policy and Sustainability Committee on 30 November 2021. These will help the Committee decide the actions and priorities that feature in the refreshed Edinburgh Economy Strategy report.

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    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/ce/edinburgh-economy-strategy/

    Posted 2 years ago #
  27. crowriver
    Member

    Covid Recovery A consultation on public services, justice system and other reforms

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/covid-recovery-consultation-public-services-justice-system-reforms/

    Posted 2 years ago #
  28. MediumDave
    Member

    https://www.scotrail.co.uk/about-scotrail/fit-future

    Scotrail are consulting on service cuts. Some points/issues:

    1) I can't see how to respond to this consultation.

    2) They just provide the new timetables, not how they differ from the pre-pandemic timetables. This is a cheat.

    3) They provide only data from 2019-01-01 to 2020-03-31 for occupancy rate, provide an overall-network occupancy rate and don't allow you to drill down to see the difference between (say) intercity and suburban services or weekday/weekend journeys.

    4) Nothing much about multimodal journeys (of which bike/train is one)

    5) This is a Monday to Saturday timetable only. Which seems to say Scotrail aren't intending to solve their labour-relations problem anytime soon...

    Posted 2 years ago #
  29. Frenchy
    Member

    There are separate consultation pages for different regions - you can get there by going here, then selecting a region, and there should be a link near the bottom saying "Click here to fill out a feedback form".

    Direct link to the East of Scotland one: https://scotrail.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_3KwfSqA3x27QKRU

    EDIT: Actually, the links to the surveys on the regional pages all point to the same form, so there's only one consultation. They've just made it hard to find...

    Posted 2 years ago #
  30. MediumDave
    Member

    Aha, light dawns. Many thanks.

    I thought that link was just to provide feedback about the timetables specifically. I didn't realise it was the whole consultation!

    Hmm. Since I have Views I will write to them separately.

    Posted 2 years ago #

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