CityCyclingEdinburgh was launched on the 27th of October 2009 as "an experiment".
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So if enough people don’t like the look of a consultation…
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Plans for a formal consultation on a Gaelic secondary school for Edinburgh have been halted after councillors heard 86 per cent of the parents did not believe either of the options being proposed was satisfactory.
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In another context:
“He concluded: "I have decided that the new scheme is unlawful in that the respondent did not undertake a proper consultation on a key aspect of it, the LSRs, and the fixing of the LSRs was irrational".”
The City of Edinburgh Council is currently running a consultation to inform the potential development of a new cycle hire scheme in the city. If you used the old scheme (known as “Just Eat Bikes”) you may wish to contribute your views.
It can be found online here: https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/echs-user-survey-2022/ . It closes on the 27th February.
Scottish Government consultation on their 20% car kilometre reduction route map closes today:
https://consult.gov.scot/transport-scotland/car-kilometre-reduction-route-map/
@Morningsider's summary of the proposals is here.
Smokey Brae
Spokes approves
Always good to add your support for good schemes
https://mobile.twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1521569931044790279
My bold
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It was good to get a update on these active travel schemes yesterday:
1. Lyndsay Road junction/ Bernard-Salamander Streets (AKA Leith Connection Phase 3)
2. Lochend/ Albion/ Easter Road
3. South Queensferry
4. Burdiehouse
Meaningful public engagement should start soon.
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https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1531535952128004098
Meaningful public engagement started on the Canal-Meadows scheme seven years ago. How about we start measuring progress by the amount of infrastructure built, rather than consultations launched.
New consultation, South Queensferry:
My observations:
Doesn't address pedestrian access to Tesco from Echline. The current "frogger" situation at the service entrance will continue, because who's going to walk an extra 1/4 mile to the roundabout and back?
The proposed cycle route is on the North of Ferrymuir, and the B800 path is on the South. The design will need to address interconnect (presently, forest of railings and lights and stupid sheep pen things).
That’s extra rubbish
They seem to want you to answer 3 pages of questions before you see anything - can be skipped, but…
Also Leith, Lochend and Burdiehouse
You'll have had your meaningful engagement, then.
Jeezo those Leith designs are dire. Lots of Absolute Minimum-tier lane widths, what looks like a two or even three stage right turn from Ocean Drive to Lindsay Road, and then right after that on Lindsay Road there's a traffic island with no signals or markings indicating a crossing which seems to be there purely to use up roadspace that could have been allocated to the cycle lanes/pavements, but which has mini-zebras aligned with it on *both* sides and no waiting space at all kerbside, so people are going to be wandering into the cycle lane and standing there waiting for an opportunity to cross. Dunno wtf is going on around Sandport Place.
Still, since we're now clearly in an era of "take what joy you can" thanks to The Prof: at least they have actual bus stop bypasses - though you can still see the sticky fingers of The Officers all over them since they've distorted the whole road layout around them to provide space for cars to overtake the bus and so lock it in place during rush hour just like a normal cut-in stop.
I've seen a few folk saying they can't even be bothered participating in these anymore given the clear signals that it's Car O'Clock for the next five years and any submissions that aren't from Concerned Residents of the sort prominently featured in the chipwrapper will be ignored, and frankly the only thing making me consider still responding is people giving up is exactly what the <rule 2, use your imagination> probably wants.
If you look at the low-number of comments that they use to justify their actions in their narrative then I definitely think it is worth responding..
"8 comments referenced x, 4 comments asked for y"
@Yodhrin, now now, the Council have "moved on" from the war between cyclists and motorists, dontcha know?
By that I take it to mean we'll just have to put up with whatever half-hearted compromise the officers see fit to bestow upon us in their beneficence...
@crowriver Yeah that's my reading of things as well. Still, if you don't try...
Did the Leith one, in the suggestions bit at the end I proposed that if they wanted to make a modest improvement they should get rid of the road widening at the bus stops, keep the buses in the main flow of traffic, and reallocate the extra space to the bus stop islands. I also suggested that if they were feeling radical, they could avoid the need for such minimum-width compromise designs by abandoning their rigid adherence to traffic flow at all costs and make the Seafield > Claremont > Duke St > Junction Streets > Commercial > Salamander path into a one-way ring loop, giving them plenty of room for to-standard cycle and pedestrian infra even at the narrow bits, and on the wider sections the possibility of more public realm or contraflow bus lanes so buses can shortcut the loop.
Hey, at least I know I'll have brought a bit of humour to the life of whichever poor intern they have trawling the responses at the absurdity of the council actually designing according to the supposed hierarchy :P
And to be fair, looking at it, the Burdiehouse designs don't look bad at all at first glance.
@Yodhrin I really like that idea. I struggle with where traffic "should" be, between Ferry Road and Portobello, as neither Claremont Park nor Bernard Street are all that wide.
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SHBT has signed a five-year lease and will now lead the restoration of the old town landmark by carrying out a feasibility study and community consultation.
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@Rob Aye similar problems arise in the rest of North Edinburgh - both the road along the shore & up through Granton and the Ferry Road have pinch points that limit traffic flow even before considering active travel/bus priority, and Ferry Road in particular really has too many homes on it in the Leith to Granton section to be a proper arterial. What we really need is a Ghent-style traffic circulation plan, cut the north into two parts - Newhaven & Leith, and then Trinity and everything West of it - with that one-way loop around Leith and another one running along Ferry Road, down Craighall Road, then up the coast to Pilton and feeding the roundabout at Crewe Toll. With the rest of the city also divided up into "sectors" with no permeability for private traffic only active travel & buses and cars forced out to the bypass if they want to move from one part of town to another we could get real progress.
Of course I doubt even the Greens would allow themselves to be that ambitious in the context of Edinburgh, let alone the current zombie administration.
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Following a recent Edinburgh council planning committee meeting that saw a Leith bingo hall included into a local conservation area after it had been rejected four months earlier, questions have been raised regarding how the council handles public consultation from local residents.
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I've not delved in to the details of the conservation area plans or the associated consultation but I'd be astonished if a "bingo hall" - i.e the commercial operation in and of itself - would justify inclusion in a conservation area. The premises shown in the photo in the chipwrapper article are one of a series of railway arches which originally carried the Caledonian Railway's line to the docks at South Leith. I would suspect that it's the vaguely historic railway arches which really justify the inclusion of Mecca's premises (and presumably the neighbouring arches) within the conservation area, rather than the function to which that particular arch is put.
OK, looking at the site on the old OS maps it seems that the building behind the arches was a corn mill during the 19th century, and was then converted to a cinema early in the 20th century (it's shown as "picture theatre" on the 1931 OS 25" map).
I have to say that a history of multiple uses and conversion part way through its life doesn't seem to make it particularly unique for the area (including the area outwith the conservation area) and it doesn't strike me as being of any great architectural merit, but I guess the point of the chipwrapper article was more about the apparent shenanigans in the process of the specification of the conservation area than the building itself. Is there a suggestion/suspicion that Mecca didn't want the larger building included because they might have had a mind to sell it for development at some later date?
Spaces for People I-can't-believe-it's-not-a-consultation consultation, courtesy of Morningsider in another thread:
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20987
Reposted here for completeness
The consultations for Experimental Traffic Regulation Orders that will keep most of the existing Spaces for People infrastructure in place for the next 18 months are now open. They are not very easy to find. All the plans and documentation is available at:https://pclengagement-hub.co.uk/en-GB/folders/travelling-safely
There is no online survey. Comments must be submitted by email to:
Edinburgh.Consultation@projectcentre.co.uk
This really matters as it includes CCE favourites like the Lanark Road lanes, Comiston Road and the Fairmilehead-Meadows LTN.
Comments must be submitted by 3 July 2022
This seems to be a map of all SfP measures, including those already removed.
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Spaces for people - interactive map of measures
Joining up with existing paths and cycle routes
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https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/roads-travel-parking/spaces-people-interactive-map-measures/1
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Powderhall - Community Consultation
Welcome to this Community Consultation. This Exhibition forms part of the statutory Planning process, and has been prepared to engage with and inform the local community of the proposals to develop the former Powderhall Waste Transfer Station for a mixed tenure housing development.
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Community Conversations will offer people in local communities across the Scottish Borders the opportunity to meet and talk to the Leader, newly elected Councillors and senior officers from the Council.
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https://www.bordertelegraph.com/news/20235545.borders-residents-get-chance-engage-councillors/
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We’re holding an online community information event about a major planning application at Fountainbridge, Edinburgh on 30 June, from 3pm to 7pm.
Learn more here: http://orbitconsultations.scot/fountainbridge/
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https://pclengagement-hub.co.uk/en-GB/folders/travelling-safely
Anyone who hasn't done so already may want to send a quick email by Sunday supporting the proposed Experimental Traffic Orders for continuing the Spaces for People schemes.
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