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Sheriffhall Roundabout consultation etc.

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  1. Frenchy
    Member

    That was the worst one for active travel was it not? Sad to see another golden opportunity missed.

    Options A and B were just about equally bad. Option B at least had a cycle route going through an underpass as slight amelioration, but this appears to have disappeared in the latest plan.

    Really not happy at this.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  2. nedd1e_h
    Member

    Spokes response to the original consultation (Dec 2016):

    http://www.spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Sheriffhall-Spokes-response-final.pdf

    Posted 6 months ago #
  3. Klaxon
    Member

    It appears option B was changed from the consultation

    The cycle underpass, however awfully positioned, is now gone, and cyclists get at grade crossings of every sliproad instead

    Click:

    Source: https://www.transport.gov.scot/news-item/58d937bc65a26e12c4a100f0

    Posted 6 months ago #
  4. nedd1e_h
    Member

    It also appears that the shared paths(?) are adjacent to the carriageways in most places, with all of its associated debris, noise and general unpleasantness.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  5. PS
    Member

    I think I'd just take to the road if faced by all that. At least the grade separation of the by-pass should reduce the number of vehicles going round the roundabout.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  6. Rob
    Member

    "cyclists get at grade crossings of every sliproad instead"

    Sounds deadly.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  7. Rob
    Member

    Are we sure they're at grade? The dark grey (road) appears to go over the light grey (path).

    Posted 6 months ago #
  8. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Rob, I would suggest that they are at grade, for the simple reason that only the underpass had been shown with distinct portals.

    The revised option B is no better than trying to use the crossings of the slip roads at Straiton, where drivers are either accelerating off the roundabout and onto the slip, or sharply decelerating and queuing to enter the roundabout (and, generally busy watching oncoming traffic, not pedestrians and cyclists trying to cross in front of them).

    Posted 6 months ago #
  9. jonty
    Member

    Hrmm - yeah - on the big picture looks like there might be underpasses on every leg. Seems a bit wishful thinking but would be great if true. I fear they may just be indicating at-grade crossings though.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  10. Klaxon
    Member

    My spidey senses tell me that if there were underpasses the press release would be greenwashed with active travel bumpf, but it's silent on the matter.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  11. nedd1e_h
    Member

    I'm so angry about this - another wasted opportunity.

    Rrrraaaaarghh!

    Posted 6 months ago #
  12. acsimpson
    Member

    MY guess is it might be something like Ferrytoll where they think cyclists might be inclined to use 7 toucan crossings rather than sticking to the roads that their taxes paid for.

    After all cyclists are never trying to go from A to B, they don't have time contstraints, and they are almost certainly unfit and out of breath so will be grateful for the rest.

    Time to tweet!

    Posted 6 months ago #
  13. Frenchy
    Member

    Is the Minister of Transport the right person to complain to about this?

    Posted 6 months ago #
  14. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    The gold standard for roundabout cycling remains the Old Dalkeith Road/Lady Road facility, where you can go right across the middle of the thing in perfect safety if you can figure out how to or why you might want to.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  15. gembo
    Member

    Gowkley Moss Roundabout has a bicycle bypass though there was a local chap with var and trailer blocking it and burning stuff the other week, maybe to make it more accessible. Gets you from Roslin junction, anti-clockwise to pedestrian junction on the other side of the rpundabout. Quite good once the trailer is moved and the burning stops.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  16. davidsonsdave
    Member

    "or why you might want to".

    The council was considering gephyrophobic cyclists?

    Posted 6 months ago #
  17. slowcoach
    Member

    trying again to link! ped/cycle crossings possible all round, with signal control of the roundabout??

    Posted 6 months ago #
  18. acsimpson
    Member

    Elegant solution, although not quite as elegant as an active travel layer in the segregation.

    Your solution does ensure no-one has more than 2 toucans to cross.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  19. Klaxon
    Member

    It's insane you're having to come up with stuff like that given we were building full pedestrian underpasses on the Calder Rd in the 60s

    Posted 6 months ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Brent Toderian (@BrentToderian)
    02/09/2016, 8:29 pm
    If you plan for cars & traffic you get cars & traffic. If you plan for people & places, well... via @PPS_Placemaking

    "

    http://pic.twitter.com/Yt3dMEn9el

    Posted 6 months ago #
  21. Frenchy
    Member

    Had cause to cross Sheriffhall roundabout today whilst delivering PoP posters. This has reinvigorated my anger at this decision.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Ian Baxter (@ianbaxter_green)
    24/04/2017, 21:03
    @CyclingEdin @SpokesLothian @POPScotland @SP_Petitions @scotgov @gorebridgetrust @DaveCrampton @CyclingSurgeon @John_Lauder @JarlathFlynn @andywightman @marz1502 @midgov @transcotland @HumzaYousaf @SEStran

    Probably why it says "around". I have all the documentation going back to when the council mis-spent £800k given by SG to spend on cycling

    http://pic.twitter.com/xDc55UUh7M

    "

    Posted 6 months ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    This is from SEStran (not to be confused with Sustrans!).

    Click link to see call for a new bridge - like at Newbridge.

    "

    SEStran (@SEStran)
    25/04/2017, 7:45 am
    @CyclingEdin @ianbaxter_green @SpokesLothian @POPScotland @SP_Petitions @scotgov @gorebridgetrust @DaveCrampton @CyclingSurgeon @John_Lauder @JarlathFlynn @andywightman @marz1502 @midgov @transcotland @HumzaYousaf We have made our comments on the issue in recent workshops. It is recognised as a key barrier to a cross boundary network in our report.

    http://pic.twitter.com/Hepwv5k1Y9

    "

    Posted 6 months ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    "

    SEStran (@SEStran)
    25/04/2017, 10:11
    @CyclingEdin @ianbaxter_green @SpokesLothian @POPScotland @SP_Petitions @scotgov @gorebridgetrust @DaveCrampton @CyclingSurgeon @John_Lauder @JarlathFlynn @andywightman @marz1502 @midgov @transcotland @HumzaYousaf @Edinburgh_CC @SustransScot

    Minister has listened & engaged with us on a number of matters recently. We will continue to work through RTS process to discuss options.

    "

    Posted 6 months ago #
  25. Frenchy
    Member

    RTS?

    Posted 6 months ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

  27. Frenchy
    Member

    Ta.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  28. Frenchy
    Member

    Christine Graham (SNP, Midlothian South etc.) asked Humza Yousaf about this in parliament today.

    His response:

    “Yes. Suitable provision for all users, including cyclists, is an important part of the proposed improvements to Sheriffhall roundabout. That will be developed in further detail as we progress with assessment of the preferred option in consultation with local interest groups. The issue has been raised by many organisations representing the cycling lobby, and it is one to which we are giving careful consideration.”

    Which, whilst vague, is a good sign. Right?

    Video here (this question at 12:30): http://www.midlothianview.com/news/christine-grahame-sheriffhall/

    On another note, it's really weird to hear him say "A seven two zero" and not "A seven twenty". Or am I in the minority there?

    Posted 5 months ago #
  29. HankChief
    Member

    http://www.sustrans.org.uk/blog/sustrans%E2%80%99-view-sherriffhall-roundabout

    "We are disappointed with the choice for Sheriffhall roundabout, a crucial roads junction, which sits in an area between two rapidly expanding local authorities: Edinburgh and Midlothian.

    Though we made recommendations to the public consultation on the design of the roundabout, in our opinion the chosen option ignores the needs of people walking and cycling."

    Posted 5 months ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    VG

    And a bit significant as it's criticising one bit of Gov while it gets most of its money from the same Gov.

    Posted 5 months ago #

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