Now online as well: https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/sheriffhall-roundabout-call-for-cycling-improvements-on-routes-to-edinburgh-and-dalkeith-1-4822461
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Sheriffhall Roundabout consultation etc.
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And in the Midlothian Advertiser: https://www.midlothianadvertiser.co.uk/news/calls-for-cycle-lanes-on-roads-to-sheriffhall-1-4825346
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Petition for connecting cycle routes to the proposed new Sheriffhall roundabout:
Improve cycle routes (via Sheriffhall) between Edinburgh and Midlothian
The new Sheriffhall roundabout will be cycle friendly, thanks to City Deal funding. While this is great news, improvements to the routes between Edinburgh and Midlothian will not be funded (this is currently left to local councils but they are cutting their budgets by millions of pounds each year... not very likely to be funding cycle routes anytime soon).
Sign this petition to ask Michael Matheson, Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Instrastructure and Connectivity to fund an integrated project to improve cycle routes.
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Bouncing the petition which is about 50 signatures shy of 500.
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Bumping, not bouncing!
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I have now signed the petition.
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Draft orders published for Sheriffhall
You will notice that the local farmer appears to get a private underpass under the A6106 while cyclists get some slow, toucan-laden at-grade path octopus. Airport A8 roundabout mk 2.
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@Muran
If I am not wrong, the cycle crossings are now underpasses not Toucans and I think the cycling provision isn't too bad.
You can see the underpasses on the first photo in the EEN article.
Now up to Midlothian and Edinburgh City councils to get together and connect it all up...
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Slightly better drawing showing the subways: https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/46493/a720-es-figure-51-proposed-scheme-layout.pdf - the paths seem to go a bit further than I expected but still no use if they just end.
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@neddie @CycleAlex thank you both, I stand corrected. That is indeed better than expected!
From the EEN photo, I also note the provision on the A720 bridge for a 3rd running lane #whatclimateemergency
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Also, what a shame they severed that nice off-road bike path along Old Dalkeith Rd, the (now) Borders railway, the bridge over the Esk, then up to Eskbank Rd.
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Direct link to EEN image: https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sttms.blob.core.windows.net/images/RUxNODIzMDY5NzU=.jpg
Annoyed that they're apparently still refusing to include an underpass to the east side of the A6106 north of the roundabout, despite the area being earmarked for significant development.
The extra provision on the bridge could be futureproofing for an orbital busway.
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I appreciate TS might not be able to build the linking cycle routes but you'd think they could just notch up the cost of the project by a couple million and just give that to CEC/MLC. "Here, go build something"
At £120m(!) I doubt many would cry foul at it suddenly being £122m.
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Why doesn't the cycle path on the inside of the roundabout go all the way around?
Add in some banking and we'd have a Velodrome...
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Why doesn't the cycle path on the inside of the roundabout go all the way around?
Would have narrowed the bit holding up the bridge, making it significantly more expensive (can't remember actual figures, but the difference was several million pounds). Spokes suggested that the saved money could be better spent on segregated cyclepaths to the roundabout...
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Is there some reason for cycle paths to congregate at Sheriffhall?
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Grade separation here is good, and I am surprisingly impressed that they have deigned to build cycleways linking from/to the appropriate sides of the roads in every direction (except Millarhill Road, although it looks as though they are hinting that the footway there would continue as a rather mediocre bi-directional shared-use setup, meaning, of course, that if you were coming from that direction (not that there will be new homes built in Shawfair or anything) you'd have to somehow magically cross the road first (and face the headlight dazzle and danger of oncoming traffic immediately adjacent).
And it seems especially awkward that if going south-north you have to go the long way around the not-a-bout and on the tighter inside of the arc, when it would have been better to complete the circle (better angling of the crossings and with widened flared approached would let these work in either direction).
If this was being built by the Dutch, however, rather than us having to descend into and climb out of possibly dank, possibly cramped and threatening feeling, possibly likely to be flooded or frozen over, possibly with crap approach sightlines, underpasses, the cycleways would remain at the at-grade level, and instead, the road traffic/roundabout would have to do the hard work of descending and climbing. (One of the great things in NL is that where there is a road passing underneath a railway line, or other road, the cycleways alongside (which, of course, always exist) separate off slightly and only drop down just enough to allow you to cycle underneath the bridge, whereas the road carriageway has to drop and climb the full height of a lorry, etc, rather than forcing people cycling to undertake the full slog as well.)
I'm consultationed-out just now (and notice how, as all too often, they sneak the big road project consultations in just as many people are hibernating), so, heartfelt thanks in advance to those who have the time and energy to respond properly to this...
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Tomorrow/Thursday:
"Details of the public exhibitions are as follows:
St Nicholas Buccleuch Parish ChurchWednesday 18 December 2019,
12 noon – 7pm
St Nicholas Buccleuch Parish Church,
119 High Street, Dalkeith EH22 1AX
Sheriffhall Park and Ride TerminalThursday 19 December 2019,
12 noon – 7pm
Sheriffhall Park and Ride Terminal,
Old Dalkeith Road, Dalkeith EH22 1FF"Posted 4 years ago # -
On the POP website (thanks Frenchy!) https://pedalonparliament.org/sherriffhall-roundabout-removing-barriers-or-creating-traffic/
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SHERIFFHALL ROUNDABOUT PROTEST
Monday 13 Jan 11amSpokes members Cllr Claire Miller and Alison Johnstone MSP are organising a Green Party protest outside the Scottish Parliament this Monday 13 Jan at 11am. Spokes is not party-political but we support the aims of this campaign.
As part of the Edinburgh City Region Deal, the Scottish Government is providing £120m to rebuild Sheriffhall roundabout as a flyover. With the recently declared Climate Emergency, there are now growing calls for the £120m to be used for sustainable and active travel rather than to facilitate easier motor travel and thereby in-crease traffic levels (as has recently happened with the new Forth Bridge, which was intended – supposedly – not to increase traffic levels, but where traffic growth is happening).
The original plans for Sheriffhall were dreadful for walking and cycling but thanks to massive Spokes efforts (including appearing at the Scottish Parliament) the plans now include high-quality cycle/pedestrian crossings. A major problem still remains, however, as the Scottish Government is unwilling to include cycleroutes between the roundabout and important destinations, such as the Bioquarter and Midlothian towns – we call the scheme an oasis of cycling excellence in a desert of underprovision.
The campaign is fully aware that the current plans for Sheriffhall include high quality cycle facilities, and will call for high quality active travel crossings (and routes linking Midlothian, the Bioquarter and other destinations) to be provided even if the motor flyover is scrapped - costing only a fraction of the £120m.
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I heard yesterday that a lorry shipping a consignment of Vicks Vapour Rub was involved in a bad crash on the bypass. Oddly, there was in fact no congestion for the next 8 hours.
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@gembo - That wouldn't have happened if they'd installed sinusoidal humps.
http://www.ukroads.org/webfiles/TAL%209-98%20Sinusoidal%20-%20H%20and%20S%20road%20humps.pdfPosted 4 years ago # -
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Patrick Harvie, the green's co-leader, wrote to Mackay last week and said suggested that free bus travel could be extended to young people, and planned spending on the A9, A96 and the Sheriffhall roundabout could be cancelled or curtailed
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https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18171034.tories-offer-help-pass-snp-budget-call-tax-freeze
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Would free bus travel for kids reduce school run traffic? It could be a good idea.
Would give older kids a lot more mobility, maybe a lot more than parents would like, especially if kids were going to areas with anti-social behaviours issuess/reputations
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When we got lifts in when I was at school it was cos we'd been disorganised and missed the bus and there wasn't another one for half an hour, not how much it cost. Would reducing farebox revenue make improvement on that front more or less likely? (Obviously I realise cost is definitely an issue for some.)
Don't state school children in Edinburgh get bus passes if they're a certain distance away from school anyway?
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@jonty free bus pass if child lives more than 2 miles from school that is their catchment, think legally it is 3 miles but Edinburgh applying a discretion. Not that many fall into this category. The 44 can be busy with Juni Green pupils going to Currie. (Not sure if they get free passes) most high school pupils walk or take the bus but big chunk of traffic on the roads during term time is school related (teachers driving to work or parents driving children to primary school because of the bad traffic which is err caused by them all driving their children)
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Interesting context - thanks. So 3 miles is considered walking distance nationally, but 2 miles in walkable Edinburgh?
You remind me that I had to arrive almost an hour early for school for a long time because the next bus got caught in traffic and made me late a lot. Not a problem when I missed it and got a lift a bit later but of course as you say made problem worse, along with other parents making the same assessment. Sigh sigh sigh.
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