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Sheriffhall Roundabout consultation etc.

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  1. neddie
    Member

    It’s almost like they had a mechanism to regulate demand on a limited resource, and now they don’t. Ha ha

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. crowriver
    Member

    Hilarious that the government didn't foresee this. Classic tragedy of the commons scenario.

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    Unison spokesperson said: “There are simply not enough spaces in the car parks. You often see queues from Sheriffhall right into the hospital about half an hour sometimes more. The free for all has backfired because people come in and chance their luck. Then you see parking attendants redirecting them to the car parks at the back. Everybody and their granny tries to get in. It's very hit or miss. It seemed to work out better when staff had permits.”

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    No sh1t Sherlock!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    It's very hit or miss. It seemed to work out better when staff had permits

    Yes but.

    SG abolished parking charges. Why does that mean that hospitals can’t/don’t use permits/booking?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. LaidBack
    Member

    It's an SG policy which is transforming hospital visits across the country. I can't think of any other example which has created such behavioural change in such a short time. Impressive - shows that car users can be easily manipulated and makes me hopeful for the new LEZs in our Scottish cities. People happy to sit for half an hour going nowhere. ;-)

    https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/dundee/2728785/patients-missing-appointments-parking-demand-ninewells-hospital/


    One patient, who asked not to be identified, says he now gets a bus to Ninewells for appointments instead.

    Felt guilty with shame of not staying queued with his fellow motorists maybe? I guess they will quickly build bigger 'free' car parks. :-)

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. gembo
    Member

    Sadly in Edinburgh, car drivers can only be influenced in one direction. Towards queues for free parking.

    The report states ridiculous fact/lie that doctors are arriving five hours early for shift just to get parked.

    Given how small Edinburgh is I imagine doctors could walk from their houses to the hospital in about 2 hours max?

    Also bizarrely, the so called journalist writing the article never seems to stop to query any of this, except the Dundonian who was too ashamed to be named for catching the bus along the Perth Road.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    How about ‘free parking if you retrospectively apply for it in triplicate’?

    ‘This must be done between 6 & 7 days after paying for parking ONLY’.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

  8. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Braess' Paradox was explored and quite well explained in Tom Vanderbilt's book, Traffic. I'd give you the page reference but Tulyar is enjoying my copy too much to return it.

    And possible tangentially related to Yet Another Costa, but I came across this video today about Braess's Paradox and it explains it really rather well:

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    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. Frenchy
    Member

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/sheriffhall-overarching-objectors

    A Public Inquiry into the £120 million proposed A720 Sheriffhall Roundabout redevelopment will be held in January.

    A group of those objecting (mainly) on environmental grounds has organised together, and are crowdfunding with the aim of hiring expert help, including a legal team.

    If you are able to, please do consider supporting.

    Full disclosure - I'm one of those objecting.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

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  12. chdot
    Admin

    Promoter's expert has withdrawn his conclusion that #Sheriffhall traffic forecasting is compatible with @Edinburgh_CC 's policy to reduce car kms by 30%
    @EdinburghGreens @CllrCMiller @AlysGreens

    https://mobile.twitter.com/rupe_nash/status/1621164415554039810?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    Colin Beattie, Scottish National Party MSP for Midlothian North and Musselburgh, also commented in favour of the planned development, saying that the new flyover would improve cycling and public transport links.

    “The current proposals have been reviewed to see whether they needed to be changed to provide better facilities for active travel and public transport, and it was determined that the current design is the most appropriate,” Mr Beattie said. “Transport Scotland further confirmed that there are extensive footway and cycleway facilities, which means that pedestrians and cyclists will not have to cross the roundabout physically.”

    https://www.midlothianview.com/news/sheriffhall-flyover-report-due-by-june

    which means that pedestrians and cyclists will not have to cross the roundabout physically

    I’m not even sure what they think they mean.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  14. Morningsider
    Member

    Looks like the UK Government has been missing a trick. Seems all they need to do is assure SNP MSPs "that the current design is the most appropriate" and they will happy leave it at that.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  15. acsimpson
    Member

    @chdot. I think this driver was attempting a physical roundabout crossing:

    Posted 11 months ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    Future of Edinburgh's Sheriffhall Roundabout £120m upgrade set to be announced

    Critics say Sheriffhall will become a "spaghetti junction" if the project goes ahead - but transport chiefs argue its vital to address traffic issues on a "key route in the region”.

    https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/future-edinburghs-sheriffhall-roundabout-120m-28201584

    Posted 4 months ago #
  17. amir
    Member

    No unexpectedly, they are ignoring the key issue of too much traffic for any network. The roads south of the roundabout can be logjammed well before the bypass crossings. This seems only likely to get worse with more house building in progress.

    Posted 4 months ago #
  18. neddie
    Member

    In other news, planners, politicians and transport "experts" fail to understand, or wilfully ignore, induced-demand

    "... but more traffic is a good thing, right? Even if logged-jammed. I mean, think of the economic benefit of the masses being addicted to expensive motors, all sitting for hours doing nothing bar looking at their smartphones..."

    Posted 3 months ago #
  19. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Not Sheriffhall but Gowkley Moss, and a bit of history:

    https://www.wussu.com/roads/r02/r0206071.htm

    A701 protest walk - Gowkley Moss - Sunday 9th June 2002

    Route walk against Midlothian Council's road-building on the A701

    On behalf of A701 No Alignment Action Group (NAAG):

    "Goodbye Midlothian, Hello Greater Edinburgh"

    NAAG believes that this project -

    • Is a waste of scarce financial resources while other Council services are being cut.
    • Shows continuing priority for expenditure on road-building while the Council's stated priority is for new rail infrastructure.
    • Is a Trojan Horse for further development in the Green Belt.
    • Contravenes Scottish Executive and DETR roundabout design guidelines.

    They built it anyway. But not quite. Here is what we could have had:

    https://api.bgs.ac.uk/sobi-scans/v1/borehole/scans/items/803477

    which is why the roundabout as currently formed has on its northern-eastern edge the stump of an unbuilt road - a twenty-year old A701 Relief Road, as it were.

    I don't see any reason why Sheriffhall shouldn't be seen as a 2023 equivalent trojan horse.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    Induced demand…

    Video

    Posted 3 months ago #
  21. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    The A701 relief road is back on the agenda of course, albeit on a different alignment (& incredilbly one that looks even worse for active travel between Midlothian & the city)

    https://www.a701reliefroad.co.uk/

    I honestly believe Midlothian Council won’t be satisfied until it’s utterly impossible to travel between Midlothian CEC except by motor vehicle (very slowly)

    Posted 3 months ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    "These politicians could have decided to reduce inequalities by investing in public transport and in our streets, but instead they decided to worsen inequalities and increase climate emissions by spending public funds on schemes that will further benefit the more affluent.

    "We’re fed up with Scotland's political class mouthing empty platitudes about ‘net zero’ and ‘anti-poverty’ yet decade after decade making deliberate decisions to build new infrastructure that makes the country’s climate failure more and more certain, and neglects to provide fairer access to transport for the country’s poorest."

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburghs-sheriffhall-roundabout-flyover-scheme-should-be-halted-say-transport-campaigners-4561302

    Posted 1 week ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    NEW REPORT FINDS SCOTLAND’S ‘DIRTY DEALS’ FUELLING CLIMATE AND POVERTY FAILURES

    Transform is calling for Parliamentary inquiry and immediate halt to new road schemes

    https://transform.scot/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Transform-Scotland-Dirty-Deals-report-March-2024.pdf

    https://transform.scot/2024/03/19/new-report-finds-scotlands-dirty-deals-fuelling-climate-and-poverty-failures/

    Posted 1 week ago #

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