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Sheriffhall Roundabout consultation etc.
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Posted 2 years ago #
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Council leaders from across south-east Scotland are growing increasingly frustrated at delays to the upgrade of Sheriffhall roundabout – which is set to cost “considerably more” than the original £120m price tag.
It comes eight months after an independent report on the controversial project was completed.
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Transport Scotland’s Gavin Dyet said costs would be updated soon and would be subject to “annual budget scrutiny”.
He gave the committee assurances the Scottish Government remained “committed” to the project.
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Posted 2 years ago # -
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The project was included in the Edinburgh city region deal agreed in 2018 and funded by the UK and Scottish governments, but work has not yet started.
Supporters say the upgrade - priced at £120m in 2018 - is essential to tackle worsening congestion at one of the busiest roundabouts on the Edinburgh City Bypass, but critics including the Greens claim it would create a "spaghetti junction" and generate even more traffic.
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Posted 1 year ago # -
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Upgrading Edinburgh's Sheriffhall roundabout is likely to cost up to two and a half times the original budget,an MSP has predicted as he accused the Scottish Government of "dither and delay" over the project.
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Posted 1 year ago # -
I'm not sure why I clicked the bait to confirm that this was indeed Miles Briggs. In what sane world is a 150% budget increase before the first spade hits the ground seem as a reason to prioritise a project.
Posted 1 year ago # -
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Project manager and engineer Gavin Dyet, who directs design and promotion of the scheme, represented Transport Scotland to the Edinburgh and South East Scotland City Region Joint Deal committee on Friday.
He said Scottish transport secretary Fiona Hyslop “realised it was a priority scheme for partners”, and that the Scottish Government was committed to it.
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Posted 9 months ago # -
(First post on this thread 8 years ago)
Posted 7 months ago # -
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Ministers still waiting for advice from officials two-and-a-half years after report
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Posted 3 months ago # -
Nope - that's nonsense. Ministers make the final decision on whether a trunk road scheme goes ahead. When there has been a public inquiry into a proposals, the Reporter chairing the inquiry produces a report with reccomendations for Ministers. There are two options available to Ministers (1) agree with the Reporter, or (2) disagree with the Reporter.
(1) is easy. The decision could be made in a few days, all civil servants need to do is draft a letter that states Ministers agree with the reporter and the scheme can go ahead/is refused for the reasons set out in the Report.
(2) is a bit harder. Ministers need to explain why they are rejecting the Reporter's recommendations. Minister's decision could be subject to legal challenge. However, Minister's reasons simply need to be "rational" to resist challange (i.e. meet the requirements of the "Wednesbury rules"). This could be something as simple as arguing the Reporter has given insufficient weight to the wider economic benefits of a scheme. This would need technical and legal input - could take a couple of months, but I can see no justification for two and a half years.
I suspect the real reason is both practical, there isn't enogh money to do this, and political, any decision will annoy a large group of voters - where pro or anti the scheme.
Posted 3 months ago # -
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A better Sheriffhall Roundabout.
Today, I had the absolute pleasure of catching up with some of my former Civil Engineering students at Heriot-Watt University, and what they’ve achieved genuinely blew me away.
1/3
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https://bsky.app/profile/drscottarthurmp.bsky.social/post/3mihi5uhvds2q
(Presume ‘April Fool’)
Posted 3 months ago # -
Very thoughtful of them to include a cemetery next to the junction
70mph head-on smash anyone?
Posted 3 months ago # -
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The government may already have an AI system that could respond to a rise in AI-generated objections. It has launched an AI tool called Consult, which analyses responses to public consultations.
It did so in the expectation that “widespread adoption of large language models [such as that used by Objector] will likely only increase the number of responses that consultations attract”.
Paul Smith, the managing director of Strategic Land Group, a consultancy, this month reported on the rising use of AI by people to oppose planning applications.
“AI objections undermine the whole rationale for public consultation,” he wrote in Building magazine. “Local communities, we are told, know their areas best … So, we should ask them what they think.
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Posted 2 months ago # -
We’re doomed
Maybe so, but we could already have guessed that Miles Briggs was still in favour of the project.
Posted 4 weeks ago # -
I like the notion that a MSP thinks he can tell a Cabinet Secretary what to do.
Posted 4 weeks ago # -
Thank feck it is Miles The Chief Walloper Briggs who’s in favour. Even the wee gees are handing in their viaduct flyovers. Praise be for Alasdair Darling knock8ng this crap right on the head in Edinburgh back in the early 1980s? When the WAR was going to come though the town centre.
Posted 4 weeks ago # -
Well
As I like to say, ‘it depends’
MB is consistent in his punting of SR
Maybe it’s his personal obsession, if so it doesn’t really matter if he’s looked at the evidence or asked anyone for their views or advice
As a representative of Edinburgh and Lothians East map (SH is pretty much in the centre) he may have consulted widely, or just ‘his voters’ or mostly those who contact him ‘demanding’ a roundabout
Whichever, he’s managed to write a letter and get it publicised
No doubt people/organisations against SR are still drafting theirs
Of the course the Minister may well ignore MB or possibly robustly push back and announce the cancellation of this magnificent traffic managing white elephant
But the Minister is a man who has landed in Holyrood with an agenda (what that is remains to be seen!)
Transport Minister jobs are generally regarded as stepping stones or a dead ends
To move ‘up’ he’ll have to make a mark. That will include making firm decisions starting with SR, then, perhaps, moving on to the A9 - cancelling further upgrades or finding the money to accelerate things??
Posted 4 weeks ago # -
Yeah...
There's a reason we grade-separate vehicles travelling on 70mph roads, or introduce bends on a roundabout to slow them down. And a few speed limit signs aren't going to cut it.
That scheme looks deadly - the designers should be forced to explain the additional deaths it will cause to the families of road fatalities
Posted 1 week ago # -
Heriot Watt Uni are teaching young people that we should be increasing the all important 'traffic flow'?
In the middle of a heatwave induced by climate breakdown...
Are they also going to teach them about their own self-made demise?
Posted 1 week ago # -
What inspired us was hearing from the people who use this road every day
I wonder how many cyclists or people walking they questioned?
I wonder whether they bothered to ask the people that avoided the junction altogether, or never made the trip at all because of the hostile nature to pedestrians and cyclists?
So many questions...
Posted 1 week ago # -
They ran detailed traffic simulations under higher-than-current forecast demand
Wow! Such outdated thinking!
Posted 1 week ago #
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