@SRD Anecdotal, admittedly, but I don't think you can ignore Brexit's influence in the rural/NE votes. I know of life-long SNP members who have torn up their membership cards on account of the party's stance on getting back into to the EU. Throw in the fishing and farming communities wanting to turn the clock back and you soon build up a Tory majority.
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General Election 8th June
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@PS yes, exactly.
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If Sinn Fein had a sense of humour their MPs would turn up for the vote on the Queen's speech.
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Don't think their supporters have that much of a sense of humour.
BUT, perhaps SF should review its refusal to ever go to Westminster.
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Nice to have it acknowledged that there are several left of centre parties and that the young see Jeremy Corbyn as anti establishment and SNP as establishment. Maybe the good people n the SNP will focus on policy now as they have some half baked ideas
Europeans despairing at the selfish venality of Cameron and may
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Maybe the good people in the SNP will focus on policy now as they have some half baked ideas
Or we could mount a takeover of the Scottish Greens.
Europeans despairing at the selfish venality of Cameron and MayHaven't dared look or speak to anyone yet. We are a laughing stock.
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I posted this a month ago (the fact that I posted it isn't important) -
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Prof Curtice just said on R4 that it might be a lot closer (in terms of the size of the probable Tory majority that May expects) than current polls suggest.
So possibly a whole lot of chaos for little real change.
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So possibly a whole lot of chaos for little real change.
Depends what price the DUP have extracted for their support. I can't type any of the things that spring to mind here.
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The DUP embroiled in local embezzlement scandal and unable to form govt at stormont until now as propped up by Tories but that will not last.
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EVEL will give May an issue for passing evel legislation, no?
Although, to be honest, will she be able to pass anything?
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@gembo
No, no. The DUP just keen on renewable energy, that's all.
@cb
EVEL not an issue. Just gives England MPs a veto at second reading.
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"Depends what price the DUP have extracted for their support."
A) good question.
B) have they agreed anything beyond 'we are meeting next week'?
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@iwrats, the renewables were only resting in the account of not existing whereas the money was in the pocket. No different from usual except they went for too much money. More than others took previously
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Labour have taken Kensington and Chelsea, after many recounts. #GE2017
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650/650 seats counted. Final result:
Conservatives: 318
Labour: 262
SNP: 35
Liberal Democrats: 12
Others: 23
#GeneralElection #GE2017"
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Whatever political party you support I think the word 'delusional' can be applied.
- SNP delusional in thinking that Indyref2 couldn't harm them when 99% of main stream media was against it plus large numbers of the public.
Labour delusional in thinking that a better than expected performance will let Corbyn become PM in near future / before he's 70
Tories delusional in thinking that an alliance with DUP won't rebound on them.
Liberals delusional for something I can't think of at moment.
UKIP just delusional
English Greens delusional but have one more WM seat than Scottish Greens. (Not sure how vote was for Patrick Harvie?)
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Also... Will Scottish Tories respect English Votes for English Laws and abstain?
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They have no choice unless EVEL is reversed. It applies to the people who now control the UK government too.
First item on Radio 4 news this morning was that Ms Davidson is uneasy about associating with Protestant Unionist organisations with Irish links. Apparently they might not very nice.
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"Ms Davidson is uneasy about associating with Protestant Unionist organisations"
Especially ones with traditional views on marriage.
Seems RD might engineer a genuinely separate Scottish Tory Party.
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Yes, sort of an independent Scottish entity not controlled from London.
Where does she get these ideas?
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Wee folding bke what is the word from near Coatbridge on why Coatbridge went back to the red Tory scum?
I will be through that way next Friday but good to know beforehand
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Probably posted already, but worth a re-read...
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@ wbf. Ha, ha, ha! :-)
This time though anyone voting for SNP knew they were voting for Indyref2.
This resulted in 35 MPs (more than LD in whole of UK)
The anti-Indyref 2 'alliance' yielded 24.Allowing for the fact that we all know that some surveys place pro-Indy at between 45 and 50% I would argue that the idea that the constitution is not off the table yet. When people of other political viewpoints realise that their interests are 'distorted' by voters from other parts of the UK then expect the UK Conundrum to become centre stage. After all T May actually ignored NI by rushing up to see N Sturgeon when she was became PM. NI question ignored by voters - until now.
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@laidback, I fear you are ever so slightly being selective with your interpretation? To draw conclusions from general election data you have to really focus on share of the vote if you are trying to establish what it might mean in a binary referendum. So just as an example a 35 per cent share of the vote might win you a seat in an election but sadly it would not win you a referendum. As you may recall I want a second Indyref as I want Scotland in Europe. Alas I cannot see that as being more likely after this result.
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"I would argue that the idea that the constitution is not off the table yet"
Well it is for now, which is probably just as well.
It will re-emerge when Brexit is 'finalised'.
Whether voters in Scotland will think 'UK out of Europe, Scotland in UK, all fine' remains to be seen.
One reason for the recent SNP 'setback' (or 'return to more realistic balance') is the fact (which, I suggest, the SNP is too embarrassed about to mention/address) that a lot of recent/previous SNP voters really don't want to be 'in Europe'.
Being pro-Europe is so Metropolitan.
The fact that many of the Brexit voters have benefitted significantly (e.g. South Wales and many rural areas) is clearly difficult to explain and (understandably) the SNP hasn't been trying too hard.
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"SNP delusional in thinking that Indyref2 couldn't harm them"
Indeed, I wonder if Nicola Sturgeon has phoned Jeremy Corbyn to apologise yet. I can't help loving the irony that the SNP put the Tories back into no 10.
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As I said up thread, it would be good if clever and able politicians in the SNP like John Swinney could now park the Indyref2 until after brexit and focus all their energies on actually running the country. Sadly, my take is that this focus has been missing for a decad and has meant some rather half baked ideas that we are still having to grapple with.
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"As you may recall I want a second Indyref as I want Scotland in Europe. Alas I cannot see that as being more likely after this result."
Well of course there's "Scotland in Europe" and "Scotland as a separate country in Europe".
IF (ever) the latter, many people seem to assume that it would be run by the SNP, which might (currently) be an unattractive option for the majority in Scotland.
All the more reason to pay attention to things that are less obviously about Independence.
Could a Ruth Davidson Party ever contemplate Scotland as a separate country?
Will Lab (Scotland and elsewhere) really try to run with Federalism?
If so, would LibDems flourish or disappear?
What will Scottish Greens do next?
What prospects for a revival of the Yes movement that could lead to a new party or independent MSPs?
Etc.
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In terms of 'sport', what happens with Indy, the SNP and even TMay may be minor compared with what happens with UK Lab.
We really are in interesting times.
TMay won, but lost bigly when it came to her need for "mandate".
Corbyn lost - same number of seats as when GBrown lost.
BUT (in my view) he (and the thousands of new members he attracted) saved the Labour Party.
He and his end of the LP is clearly on a high - perhaps a plateau, perhaps with further to go.
The people keenest to point out that "he lost" are predominantly the 'establishment' end of his own party.
'Jeremy must learn'
'Jeremy must be nice to the PLP'
etc.
Interesting times.
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