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  1. chdot
    Admin

    "I can't see any outcome that won't make this a worse place to live for most people"

    In many ways the election is an irrelevance, as any 'worse' would (probably) have happened anyway.

    Whether the issues are (for instance) Climate Change, Brexit, inequality etc. the election (and Westminster - and who is 'in charge') will make less difference than some wish to imagine.

    Assuming TMay gets her 'mandate' and her backbenchers (and other parties) 'accept'/slide into indolence and Europe gives her a GREAT deal, we will not be seeing a land of milk, honey and warm beer over the next five years.

    As for 'the future', still talk of 'young people will be working into their 70s', meanwhile there may be a new 'robot revolution' with significantly less work/jobs (of the conventional sort) available.

    Comical/tragic how news of new jobs/industrial unrest is illustrated on TV with images of car factories with no humans in sight!

    The future could be better, but few politicians seem to have many ideas beyond getting elected.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  2. chdot
    Admin

    "

    it’s only going to get worse

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/surge-in-edinburgh-foodbank-use-as-changes-to-benefits-bite-1-4428348

    Posted 7 years ago #

  3. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @chdot

    That post has slid me into indolence. One of the bleakest things I've read in a while.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  4. chdot
    Admin

    "That post has slid me into indolence. "

    The first or second?

    Posted 7 years ago #

  5. chdot
    Admin

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/snp-mp-calls-on-greens-not-to-stand-in-tory-target-seats-1-4429631

    Posted 7 years ago #

  6. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Joe Tidy (@joetidy)
    26/04/2017, 09:41
    GinaMiller: we need to put party politics aside and vote for what's best for Britain... only tactical voting can ensure that. #GE2017

    "

    ...

    http://bbc.in/2qdyxMO

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  7. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I was going to propose a sweepstakes on there being a spot of aerial bombardment or special ops derring-do to bolster the pro-government vote, but Alexander has let the cat out of the bag;

    HM Foreign Secretary: I think it would be very difficult if the United States has a proposal to have some sort of action in response to a chemical weapons attack, and if they come to use and ask for our support, whether it is with submarine-based cruise missiles in the Med or whatever it happens to be, as was the case back in 2013, John, in my view, and I know this is also the view of the prime minister, it would be very difficult for us to say no.

    Take back control! But not from them. They must be obeyed.

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  8. chdot
    Admin

    Talking of Boris/Al (and Jeremy)

    https://twitter.com/hugorifkind/status/857483436411551744

    Also

    "
    This archetypal American word derives from the Algonquian dialect of Native Americans in Massachusetts. In their language, it meant “war leader”.

    "

    http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-mug1.htm

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  9. cb
    Member

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/apr/27/lib-dems-shouldnt-count-on-remain-votes-the-data-looks-bleak

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    Our model sees the Tories on 422 seats, with Labour reduced to just 150, and the Lib Dems declining from 9 to 6. The Conservative majority would be north of 190.
    "

    Posted 7 years ago #

  10. chdot
    Admin

    I'll take bets on that being well wrong.

    Also turnout, votes/percentage for each party will be instructive when TMay (presumably) talks about mandates, wills of the people etc.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  11. chdot
    Admin

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-lead-labour-cut-seven-points-general-election-poll-latest-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-a7704796.html

    Posted 7 years ago #

  12. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/why-do-you-hate-numbers-what-did-they-do-to-you

    Posted 7 years ago #

  13. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Three constituencies in Scotland have been targeted by the party. Edinburgh South, the seat of Ian Murray who was the only Labour survivor in the 2015 wipeout which saw the party lose 40 of 41 seats, is aiming to maintain his seat .

    Jim Murphy’s old seat, East Renfrewshire is also being targeted by the party with the SNP’s Kirsten Oswald having a majority of just 3,718. This week saw Blair MacDougall, the former Better Together chief, announced as the candidate in the area.

    Labour are also confident of challenging for East Lothian, where SNP MP George Kerevan has a majority of 6,083

    "

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/labour-targeting-just-three-key-seats-in-scotland-1-4431903

    Posted 6 years ago #

  14. chdot
    Admin

    So, the Conservatives are less popular than before TMay called an election(?)

    "

    Voting intentions from the Times poll have the SNP leading on 41%, the Tories on 28%, with Labour at 18%, Lib Dems 7%, Greens 3% and Ukip on 2% across Scotland.

    A Panelbase survey earlier in April had the SNP on 44% and the Tories on 33%.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/conservatives-to-take-7-seats-from-snp-predicts-new-poll-1-4431917

    Oh, it's an opinion poll.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  15. cb
    Member

    Poor Ian Murray. Sends out a letter detailing his worthy record as an MP.

    Then he tells us that some of his achievements are listed on the other side of the letter.

    Turn the letter over..... and..... it's completely blank. Oops.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  16. Frenchy
    Member

    I had a letter from Ian Murray recently too, dated before the general election was announced, but arrived after.

    Says he plans to offer a meeting to every single constituent during the course of this parliament, as he did in the last parliament. Hope he's got his skates on.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  17. paddyirish
    Member

    Poor Ian Murray. Sends out a letter detailing his worthy record as an MP.

    Then he tells us that some of his achievements are listed on the other side of the letter.

    Turn the letter over..... and..... it's completely blank. Oops.

    Given the "achievements" of some of those on the other side of the chamber, that in my mind is a positive...

    Posted 6 years ago #

  18. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Christopher Hope (@christopherhope)
    28/04/2017, 10:48
    BREAK Protesters try to break up UKIP launch holding placards reading "Migrant refugees welcome here" and "UKIP is a fascist organisation".

    "

    ...

    "

    Anti-racism protesters disrupt Ukip launch - leaving journalists trapped in hotel bar

    "

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/28/anti-racism-protesters-disrupt-ukip-launch-leaving-journalists

    Posted 6 years ago #

  19. chdot
    Admin

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/tory-john-lamont-quits-holyrood-to-fight-westminster-seat-1-4428895

    Posted 6 years ago #

  20. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Nothing good can come of this election.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  21. chdot
    Admin

    Not necessarily true. (However - )

    By definition, it will be impossible to know what would have happened if there hadn't been an election now or the result (whatever it is) was different.

    I think it's reasonable to assume that the Brexit negotiations will not go much differently after this election than they would if there hadn't been one.

    In the unlikely event that JCorbyn somehow leads the new Gov, Brexit means Br exit. It will be largely along the lines that suit all other EU nations.

    Whether the UK economy 'goes down the tubes' or has a 'free trade with the rest of the world' renaissance it's unlikely that the average hardworking, taxpaying person/family will notice much difference. The 'rich' are likely to increase their assets and the 'poor' are likely to struggle.

    The NHS will have crises and Climate Change will remain 'too difficult' to deal with 'until the economy improves'...

    Posted 6 years ago #

  22. Ed1
    Member

    Personally I hope JCorbyn wins otherwise new labour/ new conservative same old quasi corrupt system erosion of rights, official secrets may be official corruption, poor value privatisation for interest groups, pfi, assets subsidisation rather than people, same old gravy train, support of elites, same old type of dodgy officials normally irrespective of who wins but corbyn could be quite a disrupter, trouble is if labour win could install a new labour dodgy Blair type then may as well not have bothered with an election-)

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  23. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/politics/uk-politics/415319/labours-mp-scotland-admits-embarrassing-election-blooper/

    Posted 6 years ago #

  24. chdot
    Admin

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/labour-names-candidate-for-east-lothian-1-4432694

    Posted 6 years ago #

  25. chdot
    Admin

    "

    In a scathing assessment of Labour’s stance since the EU referendum result, Mrs Miller said the SNP had stepped in as the main source of parliamentary opposition to Brexit.

    She said: “Ordinary citizens, the SNP, Lib Dems and Greens – they’re coming together. The problem is that we’re all too small on our own.”

    Mrs Miller added: “There is no opposition. Our country is sleepwalking into a disaster, with no-one holding it to account. I just can’t let that happen. How do I justify that to my children, my grandchildren, to myself?”

    "

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-mps-get-boost-from-gina-miller-fund-to-stop-hard-brexit-1-4432722

    Posted 6 years ago #

  26. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Maybe something good can come of this?

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  27. gibbo
    Member

    What I don't get is why the Lib Dems aren't running on the promise to cancel Brexit.

    If they did, they'd arguably be favourites to win the election.

    Maybe they don't want to win?

    Posted 6 years ago #

  28. chdot
    Admin

    "What I don't get is why the Lib Dems aren't running on the promise to cancel Brexit."

    Aren't they? (Not that they are close to forming any Gov.)

    "

    Quitting the EU could could trigger an economic crisis even greater than the 2008 financial crash, former business secretary Vince Cable has said. Cable predicted that job losses, inflation and falling consumer confidence could send the UK economy into a recession even harsher than the credit crunch if Theresa May presses ahead with a hard Brexit.

    The Liberal Democrat made the comments as he launched his bid to reclaim his old seat of Twickenham in June’s general election. He has vowed to battle to keep Britain in the single market and the customs union if reelected.

    "

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/29/brexit-could-trigger-worse-crash-than-2008-says-vince-cable

    Posted 6 years ago #

  29. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    What I don't get is why the Lib Dems aren't running on the promise to cancel Brexit.

    Probably because it can't be canceled unilaterally. The letter went in and the UK is out unless all 28 EU member states agree otherwise.

    Alea iacta est.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  30. gibbo
    Member

    The EU has been clear that it wants Britain to change its mind. So I see no reason why the Lib Dems can't run on that issue.

    Posted 6 years ago #

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