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General Election 8th June

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  • Started 6 years ago by chdot
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  1. HankChief
    Member

    Murrayfield CC is hosting hustings next Wednesday (24th) at Murrayfield Parish Church hall 8pm.

    All welcome.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  2. acsimpson
    Member

    Thanks Frenchy.

    For the twitter advice not the restraint in using a valid adjective for the PM.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    "
    Scottish Tories demand exemption from Theresa May’s Winter Fuel Allowance cuts because it’s colder

    Scotland has 'different climatic issues', the Conservative Scottish Secretary said

    "

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-tories-winter-fuel-allowances-cuts-means-test-exemption-conservative-manifesto-cold-a7744606.html

    Posted 6 years ago #
  4. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    What's the betting that Mr Mundell is thrown a winter fuel bone to put on his campaign fire thus demonstrating that the Ruth Davidson Party will always stand up for Scotland against the Theresa May Party?

    You'd think the poor man would have got a say on the Scottish stuff in the draft manifesto but maybe not....

    Posted 6 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

  6. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    We should of course read and study the two possible visions for the future of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland;

    https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/manifesto2017/Manifesto2017.pdf

    http://www.labour.org.uk/page/-/Images/manifesto-2017/Labour%20Manifesto%202017.pdf

    Someone presumably having a laugh with the Tories' URL? If your blood is a bit too warm do a search on 'Scotland' in their manifesto and it'll soon be running nice and cold.

    A similar search in the Labour one won't detain you too long.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  7. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    From the Tory manifesto;

    We are a United Kingdom, one nation made of four – the most successful political union in modern history. Its very existence recognises the value of unity – England,Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales achieve less as two, three, or four, than as the United Kingdom together.

    You'd almost think the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and the vicious civil war that destroyed it in (distant) living memory had never happened. Makes you wonder if these people consider the Poblacht na hÉireann to be a rebel province or not.

    I wonder if 'modern history' includes the empire I seem to remember us having at some point?

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  8. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/19/labour-weak-defend-union-nicola-sturgeon-scotland-turning-ruth/

    Ruth Davidson is busy reviving the party’s fortunes north of Hadrian’s Wall

    So, like, Northumberland?

    Polls now suggest she could take several seats off the Nicola Sturgeon's party when Scots vote in next month's general election.

    To blazes with the NSP! Epic lolz etc grandad.

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  9. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Around 15% of Scots intend to vote tactically in the General Election to stop a political party they oppose, according to a new poll.

    The YouGov survey found that tactical voters are split between keeping the SNP out and stopping the Scottish Conservatives getting in.

    "

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/poll-15-of-scottish-voters-plan-to-vote-tactically-1-4451912

    So that's cancelling out, or decisive!?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  10. Frenchy
    Member

    Deadline to register to vote is today.

    https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

    Posted 6 years ago #
  11. I were right about that saddle
    Member

  12. kaputnik
    Moderator

    In a Westminster general election the "vote Tory to stand up to the SNP" line is a load of rot given that the Tories are the Westminster government. How can you "stand up to" what is in effect a minor party with absolutely limited Westminsterial powers.

    Our (Edinburgh East) Tory candidate just got elected as a councillor in Musselburgh. We got a card through the door yesterday. It's a standardise thing that they are sending to every house in Scotland, just swapping out the constituency and candidate names and photos and throwing in a few "local priorities" from what is a generic list. I pointed out to them that 1 of their priorities was for "local town centres" (there are none in Edinburgh East) and another was a reserved issue for Holyrood.

    I also pointed out to them that their bar charts showing ONLY THE TORIES CAN STAND UP TO THE SNP HERE were totally fanciful, nay, disingenuous in the presentation.

    I'm just off for a wander round to the Joint Valuation Board office to drop in my postal vote form so that I can stand up to the party of my choosing on June 8th.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  13. Roibeard
    Member

    @Kaputnik - "Our" Conservative Councillor, equally recently elected, is also a Westminster candidate standing against Ian Murray.

    I'm inclined to think that local politics would lose out in such a job share...

    Robert

    Posted 6 years ago #
  14. Frenchy
    Member

    There's a theme here. The new Conservative councillor for Porty/Craigmillar is also standing to become an MP (in Falkirk).

    I have some sympathy for councillors becoming MPs and double jobbing for a few months, maybe even a year. But if any of these councillors are elected on June 8th, I'd expect a council by-election. I also doubt if any of them are actually planning on being elected.

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  15. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I also doubt if any of them are actually planning on being elected.

    Pretty sure Councilor Smith intends to be elected in Edinburgh South. Previous informal vote-loan very much at an end.

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  16. mgj
    Member

    At least you don't have to read the full manifestos for work. Full of devolved issues and some bizarre assertions (Scottish Labour claims it set up the Edinburgh International Festival, which may be news to the head of Glyndbourne at the time who did all the work and the then Progressive Lord Provost.)

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  17. chdot
    Admin

    "Scottish Labour claims it set up the Edinburgh International Festival"

    There are so many Festivals in Ed now maybe they got confused(?)

    Labour councillors started Meadows Fest.

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  18. chdot
    Admin

    I didn't realise it was quite so explicit -

    "

    In the five years following the war, 1945 - 1950, there was relative inactivity at Glyndebourne. But it was not a period of total inertia. In 1947 Glyndebourne founded the Edinburgh Festival.

    "

    http://www.glyndebourne.com/about-us/our-history

    Other cities were considered for a 'spirit raising post war European arts event'.

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    The Edinburgh International Festival was the inspired idea of Rudolf Bing, then the General Manager of Glyndebourne Opera, Henry Harvey Wood, the Head of the British Council in Scotland, and leaders from the City of Edinburgh. It was established in 1947 as a world class cultural event to bring together audiences and artists from around the world.

    "

    https://www.eif.co.uk/about-us/our-mission-and-history

    Posted 6 years ago #
  19. Frenchy
    Member

    Pretty sure Councilor Smith intends to be elected in Edinburgh South.
    She might intend to. I doubt she expects.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    More history (for younger readers) - almost relevant today!

    "

    The Progressive Party was a municipal political organisation that operated in several Scottish cities and towns in the 20th century. It was based on tacit anti-Labour co-operation between the Unionist Party, Scottish Liberals and Independents.

    "

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressives_(Scotland)

    Posted 6 years ago #
  21. kaputnik
    Moderator

    The Conservatives have a bit of a tradition in recent years of standing their favoured councillors high on the regional lists for Holyrood. Jeremy Balfour is one such. I've often imagined it's more to do with a lack of suitable or keen candidates than anything else.

    The Edinburgh East candidate who is a new Musselburgh councillor has stoop (and lost) previously in Falkirk for Westminster.

    Some think that they can manage being both a list MSP and a councillor. Other's don't and resign one or the other. Our retiring SNP councillor (Stefan Tymkewycz) stood down from Holyrood when he accidentally got in on the list as he was already a councillor.

    I don't think there's anything on statute that says you can't do one or the other or both, given many MPs or MSPs leave much of their constituency work up to their staffers to a greater or lesser extent. Given the number of extra jobs with handsome remunerations some senior MPs seem to think they deserve...

    Posted 6 years ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Will tactical votes help Labour win in Edinburgh South?

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/will-tactical-votes-help-labour-win-in-edinburgh-south-1-4455253

    Posted 6 years ago #
  23. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Dunno, perhaps the natural Conservative voters will just vote Conservative this time round like they did at the local election for the "anything but the SNP option"?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  24. wangi
    Member

    http://www.portobellocc.org/pccpn/2017/05/20/2017-general-election-hustings/

    Porty Community Council are hosting Edinburgh East hustings for the 2017 general election.

    Wednesday 31 May, 7:15pm at Portobello Town Hall, EH15 1AF.

    · Tristan Grey – Lib Dem
    · Somebody – Labour
    · Katie Mackie – Conservative
    · Tommy Sheppard – SNP

    You can submit questions in advance; see: http://portobellocc.org/hustings17

    Posted 6 years ago #
  25. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Will tactical votes help Labour win in Edinburgh South?

    Canvass returns have, if rumour is to be believed, led all three parties in contention to believe they can win. Makes tactical voting tricky I'd have thought

    Posted 6 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

    "all three parties in contention to believe they can win"

    So no LD revival expected?

    So Lab because enough people think existing MP is doing a good job.

    Tory because they are the 'rising Unionist party.

    Or the SNP because the other two will each get fewer votes.

    It's FPTP...

    Posted 6 years ago #
  27. kaputnik
    Moderator

    · Somebody – Labour
    Patsy King

    Posted 6 years ago #
  28. wangi
    Member

    Yeah, Patsy King is the Labour candidate for Edinburgh East; but she's got another hustings that night (!)

    Posted 6 years ago #
  29. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Oh... If all the other candidates are in Porty, who on earth is she Husting with?!

    Posted 6 years ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    "who on earth is she Husting with"

    Can't be a CEC by-election already(?)

    https://mobile.twitter.com/patsyk14nch

    Can't find another Twitter a/c

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/community-leaders-axed-after-court-row-1-1241011

    Posted 6 years ago #

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