CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Debate!

Dog Crash

(47 posts)

No tags yet.


  1. nevelbell
    Member

    Saw a nasty spill last night on the NEPN just after the Lindsey Road entrance. A dog walker threw a ball down and across the path, the dog chased, once it picked up the ball, ran back towards it's owner cutting across a guy on a bike. He hit the ground hard hurting his shoulder. Luckily there was someone following behind who had some medical experience and advised him to get his shoulder checked out at the hospital.

    Miraculously, the dog was unhurt.

    I understand it's a shared path, but if the dog was under control, the crash wouldn't have happened.

    https://flic.kr/p/UTiLrp

    I hope the injured cyclist is OK.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  2. amir
    Member

    Highway code rule 56

    "Dogs. Do not let a dog out on the road on its own. Keep it on a short lead when walking on the pavement, road or path shared with cyclists or horse riders."

    Of course, only motor vehicle drivers are asked to read the highway code and I wonder how many dog owners are aware or care about this rule.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  3. Frenchy
    Member

    Lucky dog. You wouldn't get your dog to chase a ball across a street, a shared path should be treated similarly. Hope the owner doesn't carry on doing this.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  4. Many years ago when I was a student I had a dog run across my path going through the meadows. Threw me over the handlebars but thankfully no real damage. Owner was only worried about injuries to the stupid dog, which of course escaped unharmed.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  5. I've had owners wait until I pass, then throw the ball over and ahead of me, so the dog hares off after it and runs round and right across your path.

    Utterly crazy. Who would want to deliberately risk injuring their dog to get one over on a passing cyclist?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  6. gibbo
    Member

    Keep it on a short lead

    Those telescopic leads do my head in. They might as well be called "tripwires."

    PS Years ago, I had a client who was a dog trainer. The level of contempt he had for owners who used those leads was something to hear.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  7. Klaxon
    Member

    A couple of days ago a dogwalker threw a ball to an unleashed dog in front of my path in St Mark's Park.

    Had to emergency brake check from about 10mph (wow, two wheeled terror, rolleyes_emoji)

    Not sure why one would ever do that, your dog nearly gets run over or your dog gets run over.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  8. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    Dog owners shouldn't throw balls for dogs to fetch on shared paths. Dogs go nuts when they are chasing something and lose all sense of their surroundings.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  9. amir
    Member

    Those telescopic leads do my head in. They might as well be called "tripwires."

    There's often a person walking two big dogs at the far end of the Innocent. She has one dog either side a couple of metres away on these long leads and she walks along the middle of the cycle path. Seems surprised in presence of cyclists despite high frequency.
    Moral: it's not stupid dogs we need to worry about, it's the stupid human companions

    Posted 6 years ago #
  10. neddie
    Member

    Do not forget dogs don't see very well. They mostly work by smell.

    Once you take that into account,it's easy to make allowances. Not so easy to allow for daft humans though

    Posted 6 years ago #
  11. Ed1
    Member

    well if the cyclist smelt bad enough and there was a wind, possibly the cyclists own fault for a lack of "hi viz" smell to make the dog aware of their presence. My new freewheel makes a nice ticking noise when on the canal yesterday I realised that if freewheel when coming up behind a dog it notices.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  12. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Miraculously, the dog was unhurt.

    No. I can vouch for the fact that @unhurt is a rather charming human being.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  13. rbrtwtmn
    Member

    Hold on folks - can we be a bit careful about criticising those walking dogs.

    Why when there's such good reason I hear you ask? Well because this gets perilously close to all those 'bloody cyclists' conversations we hate so much.

    I know why people are angry and irritated. Trust me I get incredibly irritated at inconsiderate dog owners and I'm not averse to having a go at someone who has behaved particularly selfishly or stupidly (a simple 'sorry it bit you' would be better than pretending it didn't happen) BUT the fact that I have to interact with people walking dogs is because we've both been pushed off the roads and into an old railway cutting together.

    And to a great extent it would be quite reasonable for those wanting to walk dogs to be angry at the space that's been lost for this over the last 10 years.

    I heard a more elderly woman talking the other day about how her friends had been forced off the canal towpath - they don't walk there any more.

    Of course that's not the fault of 'cyclists' nor is it an overreaction from a more frail elderly person who has had one or two inconsiderate people blast past at a silly rate. But I had no problem believing her...

    Cyclists, dog walkers, pedestrians... all victims of a system where motorised traffic and the storage of empty vehicles is prioritised over life itself.

    Divide and rule... works every time. Get those you've disadvantaged to argue with each other over the remaining space/power. This distracts them from noticing the real problem. And you've won the battle.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin

    "Divide and rule... works every time"

    Yes, but this started with "dog walker threw a ball down and across the path".

    Clearly not all dog walkers do that, anymore than 'all cyclists run red lights'.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  15. Baldcyclist
    Member

    I had started writing a post yesterday, and didn't have time to finish it. @rbrtwtmn put it more eloquently than I would have.

    Also worth remembering that dogs need time off their leads to do 'dog stuff', sniffing, running etc. This is vital for their mental well being, and if you live in a city, the places where this can happen are very limited.

    Dogs need to be off their leads, and we should learn to be more accommodating of that.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    "we should learn to be more accommodating of that"

    Issue not really dogs but owners.

    I'm sure the biggest dog fans wouldn't condone throwing balls on shared paths (not just about bikes).

    Posted 6 years ago #
  17. crowriver
    Member

    "And to a great extent it would be quite reasonable for those wanting to walk dogs to be angry at the space that's been lost for this over the last 10 years."

    Hm. The quantity of dog eggs left on pavements, in parks, any available patch of grass or bare earth in urban areas might suggest that not much space has been "lost" to dog walkers. Very rarely left in the road mind you, so maybe you're right about roads being "lost" to dog walkers.

    That latter does not preclude dog owners transporting said pets by private motor vehicle (nor indeed public transport) to a primarily pedestrian space in order to walk and lay dog eggs around the place. But not in the road, no no. Can't get dog egg on the car tyres or drivers' shoes now, can we?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  18. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Some bigger urban parks in France have 'dog' sections - large enclosed sections with high fences where dogs can be let off the lead. Seems more civilised than eg Harrison Park where a bit has to be fenced off to give kids and others somewhere free from dog eggs.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  19. gibbo
    Member

    Also worth remembering that dogs need time off their leads to do 'dog stuff', sniffing, running etc. This is vital for their mental well being, and if you live in a city, the places where this can happen are very limited.

    Dogs need to be off their leads, and we should learn to be more accommodating of that.

    However, according to amir's quote above, they're not meant to do this on a path shared by cyclists (or horses).

    And that makes sense as they can cause injuries.

    As for the shortage of places, there are many near NEPN that are well away from the main path.

    (e.g. Victoria Park is less than half a mile from the Lindsay Road entrace.)

    Posted 6 years ago #
  20. Baldcyclist
    Member

    "And that makes sense as they can cause injuries."

    Sounds a lot like motorists mantra of cyclists throwing themselves in front of cars simply by being there.

    If only there was a system of presumed liability which protected more vulnerable infrastructure users to bigger, and faster vehicles that have potential to cause most damage...

    Posted 6 years ago #
  21. paddyirish
    Member

    "bigger, and faster vehicles that have potential to cause most damage..."

    Most dogs are faster than I am on my bike...

    Posted 6 years ago #
  22. gibbo
    Member

    Sounds a lot like motorists mantra of cyclists throwing themselves in front of cars simply by being there.

    I'd suggest it's far easier to predict what a cyclist is going to do than what a dog is going to do.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  23. Baldcyclist
    Member

    Indeed, but as humans we have the mental capacity to see a dog running about further ahead, and:

    a) slow down to a sensible speed, say walking pace. in-case said dog smells something nice and changes course.
    b) carry on regardless.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  24. Frenchy
    Member

    Most dogs are faster than I am on my bike...

    I need a long steep hill to reach the speeds my dog is capable of reaching in a handful of strides on flat ground. He doesn't get let off a lead except in enclosed spaces, though.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  25. Min
    Member

    a) slow down to a sensible speed, say walking pace. in-case said dog smells something nice and changes course.
    b) carry on regardless.

    My husband was once quite badly hurt when a dog jumped up on him and pushed him off his bike. What was he meant to have done to have avoided that?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  26. stiltskin
    Member

    Indeed, but as humans we have the mental capacity to see a dog running about further ahead,
    Or, as a human owner, we can anticipate that our dog can act in an unpredictable and potentially hazardous manner & so keep it under proper control when walking it on a cyclepath....just like you are supposed to.
    If cyclists acted on the road in the way that dogs do on cyclepaths, I would be perfectly happy to accept a restriction on their movements.
    Cyclepaths are meant to be shared use. If a dog is running out of control it is taking over the entire path: That isn't sharing it, that's the dog owner taking ownership of the entire path.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  27. crowriver
    Member

    "Seems more civilised than eg Harrison Park where a bit has to be fenced off to give kids and others somewhere free from dog eggs."

    I'm seeing more similarities between dog owners and car owners here, frankly.

    Dog owners seem to expect to be able to take their pet anywhere they want, let them run off the lead, foul public space, etc. without much if any regard for other users of the space - whether those other users be children, little old ladies, joggers, picnicking families, single adults out for a stroll, or cyclists on a shared use path or footpath not parallel to a road.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  28. Min
    Member

    I'm seeing more similarities between dog owners and car owners here, frankly.

    Yes, I am struggling to see how having an out of control dog on a cycle path is the same as cycling along a road. Unless the cyclist was taking their elephant for a walk with them and allowing it to run amok, trampling on cars and injuring the drivers therein. It could be amusing but I can't see it catching on.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  29. Baldcyclist
    Member

    Much of the issue is how users use the space. Cyclists tend to use it as the cycle equivalent of a motorway, where for other users it's a much more relaxed, and often social space, groups walking 4 abreast chatting, kids playing with balls, or dogs walkers playing catch with their owners.

    All of these are inconvenient for those on a 'motorway'. Community councils often get complaints about speeding cyclists, and dog fouling, but (certainly my council) never number of dog walkers.

    Re dog fouling - not all cyclists run red lights...

    Posted 6 years ago #
  30. stiltskin
    Member

    What you are thinking of there is a park: Not a cyclepath. Not a motorway, a path down which you can expect to cycle & share the use of. Not one group of people selfishly using it to the detriment of others.
    If your dog's actions t injure someone then they are legally out of control & you can be fined.

    Posted 6 years ago #

RSS feed for this topic

Reply »

You must log in to post.


Video embedded using Easy Video Embed plugin