I had read that as long as cars are using the street work crews can't put up cyclists dismount signs
...found this
https://www.cyclinguk.org/cycle/cyclists-dismount
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Sewer Replacement - Haymarket Terrace eastbound to close
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Posted 7 years ago #
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@Fimm - Yes.
Visible in the background here: https://i.imgur.com/i0uWQPt.jpg
High quality artist's impression here: https://i.imgur.com/VHUHXb4.png
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From the Cycling UK Article linked to above:
"The Department for Transport guidelines state quite clearly:
‘Where access is permitted for motor vehicles, “Cyclist Dismount" signs should not be used. The hazards to cyclists at roadworks are rarely great enough to justify this measure. In any case, cyclists are likely to ignore such instructions.’"Posted 7 years ago # -
The hazards to cyclists at roadworks are rarely great enough to justify this measure.
To be honest, I'm wondering if this is actually one of those rare situations.
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It's been moved since Frenchy's artistic impression was painted.
It's now just *after* the entrance to the drop-off point, meaning they expect people to dismount in the lane of traffic where there isn't a pavement.
David Key has said this is being actioned. Remains to be seen what the outcome will be.
Also noticed tonight a random "Dismount" sign for westbound bikes at the junction with Haymarket Yards. Don't know why it's there. Do they not want people to cycle through the one-lane section? Or did they have one lying around that they didn't know what to do with?
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It's been moved since Frenchy's artistic impression was painted.
Actually, looking at the other image I linked, it looks like I wasn't remembering correctly where it was - it's quite clearly where you say it is now.
Sorry for the confusion.
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This was 3 o’clock
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REALLY don’t think the barriers need to be like this -
It might well be the case that further on there isn’t room for a motor vehicle lane and a bike line.
That means that motors can’t overtake bikes AND MUST NOT TRY.
It doesn’t mean that this section by the station is in any way acceptable.
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This morning in the work changing room I heard someone say they'd nearly been hit by a bus overtaking through roadworks. I interrupted to ask if it was outside Haymarket Station. He said yes and asked how I knew.
Sigh.
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What they actually need are those signs that say
Narrow Lanes
Do Not Overtake CyclistsThey have them in London.
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Has anyone ever seen a cyclists remount sign or do they just not make them ? :-)
Passed through there yesterday evening and just took the centre of the single lane ...cyclist behind me followed suit, the cars had no opportunity to pass
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Being looked at -
https://twitter.com/scottish_water/status/918417656566468609
And consecutive tweets.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Have avoided this route for last couple of days.
Seen lots on Twitter, but unclear whether any successful resolution. Just about to go to Haymarket to collect train tickets so will loiter for a bit and review.PS have been heading along Fountainbridge and back as alternative route. This road is incredibly pot holed and bumpy. Lots of prominent bits of metal sticking out - including on new "slim line" bike lane outside new school. Anyone know if and when a long overdue resurfacing of the whole street will take place? Or how does one request this?
Posted 7 years ago # -
No change. Still same as photos above.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Now they've got Sustrans involved!
(Well they are local.)
https://twitter.com/scottish_water/status/918824101019639808
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Cyclist Dismount signs and cones to be removed, warning signs for drivers and cyclist diversion into the station drop-off point.
About the best that could be hoped for.
https://mobile.twitter.com/scottish_water/status/918864608106074112
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Edinburgh cyclers (inc CCEers) succeed again via Twitter.
BUT it shouldn’t have been necessary.
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Signs up: "Caution: Cyclists on Road" and "Cyclists please turn left at Haymarket Station"
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"Cyclists please turn left at Haymarket Station"
And that helps how?
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Presume cones/barriers moved(?)
Posted 7 years ago # -
And that helps how?
You get a nice scenic wait behind a red light that doesn't trigger because you're on a bike
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Hi all. I've never posted before but something (completely unimportant) is really baffling me at the moment, so I was wondering if anyone here had any thoughts/explanations. There appears to be a cycle diversion in place related to these road works. Sign at the top of the zig zag from Russell Road reads something along the lines of 'Haymarket Terrace closed to all traffic eastbound. Follow diversion to Wester Coates Terrace'. Cycle diversion signs then point up cycle path, exit cycle path on second Wester Coates Terrace exit, then say 'End of Diversion'. So...
1. What is this diversion achieving? It doesn't avoid the road works in any way at all.
2. If you were going from the top of the zig zag (where diversion starts) to Wester Coates Terrace (where the diversion ends), this is the way you would go anyway....Anyway thanks for your work on the cyclists dismount signs. On Friday I tried sticking with primary position coming from Morrison St but it involves a very dodgy tramline crossing. Going forward I might go through the drop off bit but may or may not wait for the red light to change. In fact if they could just turn off the traffic light and change this to a give way that might work. Coming in Eastbound this morning I appreciated the 'Caution Cyclists on Road' sign. The diversion is a bit annoying but at least you then cross the tram tracks at the correct angle (going up Torphichen St).
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I went past yesterday again; looked to me like they'd pushed the cones and barriers back slightly too. Took the drop-off point route regardless.
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More signs have appeared: "Narrow lane: do not overtake cyclists"
Posted 7 years ago # -
About time too!
Making a difference(?)
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Well, I cycled through here this morning and it's garbage. I did as per the signs and cycled into the jug handle. Waited over a minute (having forfeited my right of way in the first place!) and then just filtered onto the main road as I couldn't be bothered waiting any longer.
Remember, we're meant to be encouraging walking and cycling. Why not a motorist give way to cycles at this point, rather than forcing the cycles to wait...?
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One thing I am enjoying about this: when getting off at the temporary bus stop on Magdalena Crescent the pavement is narrow (which isn't good) but it does mean that there is a long line of people walking to the crossing at the foot of the road. This means that drivers have to wait while this line of people crosses; a nice reversal of the usual situation of pedestrians having to scramble across the road while one driver goes past.
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For the first few weeks of this works the diversion round Magdala was nose-to-tail. This week it has been empty and there has only been a queue of a couple of cars at the junction with Palmerston Place, even with the works on Torphichen Street.
Almost as if people are learning to avoid the area.
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