As way of an update, I'm told that as the work to the NEPN is just maintenance, they council won't be putting up the plans on the consultation hub.
Silverknowes roundabout lessons learnt: zero.
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Resurfacing of NEPN
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Posted 6 years ago #
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I had the same in writing from the cycling officer, after numerous requests for details.
"Unfortunately there was a misunderstanding between myself and my colleague are we will not be consulting on the NEPN maintenance work.
This is due to the fact that the work is just maintenance and we are up against it timewise to get it delivered this financial year.""It’s mostly just drainage solutions and resurfacing. The untrained eye probably won’t notice the work has been done."
I have these from Dec 2016 though when there was a consultation:
Consultation Summary: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hW7WXFHdTjbXBNazJMNzl5UmM
Spokes Response: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-r0SFoNvBDrGCxXudJGth-C-5mC_6ItptMo5YvxfT9QThere has been no "further discussion" but clearly scope has changed.
Will give it another try some time.
Officer is bryan.mackie@edinburgh.gov.uk
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Received an e-mail yesterday on this topic.
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Balfour Beatty has been appointed by The City of Edinburgh Council to carry out a package of footpath resurfacing and drainage improvement works across the North Edinburgh Path network commencing 7th March 2018 for a period of 12 weeks. These works are spread across 55 locations on the paths highlighted in the attached location plan.
The initial phases of works will commence on Blackhall, Trinity and Hawthornvale paths. All works areas will be signed a week in advance on site with diversion routes notified. The works on the Blackhall Path will commence first on 7th March and will last for approximately 3 Weeks until 23rd March 2018.
The working hours will be between 0730hrs and 1730hrs Monday to Friday. There is no planned weekend working.
Potential path closures
Due to the nature of the works and to ensure the safety of both path users and workers it will be necessary to implement traffic management within the working hours mentioned above, which will include footpath closures. Diversion routes will be available for all path users and local pedestrian access to properties will be granted. We appreciate these paths are important for people walking and cycling in and through the area therefore our intended approach to managing access during the works is:1) Local diversions around work activities (may require dismounting and walking on verges)
2) Path closures – with diversion routes taken between accessible ramp accesses. Please see attached sample diversion map.
3) Information boards will be displayed at closure points with maps of the diversion routes for onward journeys. Please note that some diversion routes may require cycling on trafficked roads and dismounting for crossings.These works are essential as part of the on-going maintenance programme and we apologise in advance for any inconvenience that these works may cause.
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Is there an attachment? Couldn't see one on the Spokes Facebook post either.
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The attachments have been forwared to us and I've put it up here: http://citycyclingedinburgh.info//files/Diversion_Map_BlackhallPath.pdf
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That's not a big deal. And, to be fair, that part of the path is absolutely shocking. Good that they're re-doing it.
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That's a seriously uninformative map if you don't know where "Blackhall Path" is. I worked it out eventually - it is the last bit of the off-road path before you get to Silverknowes. I wonder if they'll get pedestrians cutting across the grass there.
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At first I thought they were re-routing cyclists along Queensferry Road. Took a few moments to understand that's not the case - and I live in the area!
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Someone put a better map on the Spokes Facebook post with actual street names and clearer markings.
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Noted under bridges section of appendices to the T&C committee papers:
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St Marks Bridge
Bearing replacement, grouting of post tensioned tendons, deck waterproofing and structural repairs
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That's the bridge over the WoL that connects Broughton Road/McDonald Road to the NEPN.
Hopefully they'll co-ordinate this with resurfacing of St Marks Path?
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@Rosie - that was me, the "improved" link is https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/untitled-map_201305#17/55.96603/-3.26761 assuming that I've interpreted the official map correctly.
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It is my understanding that they are doing resurfacing work around the two areas which currently flood, including widening the path between the bridge and Silverknowes Drive.
IMO a complete waste of money IF they are not addressing the drainage.
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“IMO a complete waste of money IF they are not addressing the drainage.”
Complete waste of money IF they don’t FIX the drainage!
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“Bearing replacement”
Wasn’t that a new bridge (with not much loading) about 10 years ago?
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@chdot, aye there's no point them just reciting the obscure Burns "Ode to a drain". I'll give you that.
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@chrisfl - Thanks for that.
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Here's hoping they do a better job at fixing the drainage than they did a few years ago when they supposedly did the same thing on the path between Craigleith and Roseburn.
That made absolutely no difference whatsoever!
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“same thing on the path between Craigleith and Roseburn”
Had assumed this was going to be revisited as part of current project(?)
Of course all this used to railways, you can be sure there used to be working drainage!
Really isn’t difficult, dig trench at side of path, let gravity take water to a sewer or maybe a new bit of wetland.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Roseburn+St,+Edinburgh+EH12+5PL/@55.9566827,-3.2443928,17z/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x4887c65485acf485:0x9e61bc4aca90b0b6
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You may be right, @chdot. I did get the email but must admit I probably didn't read it as thoroughly as I should have!
Here's hoping they get it right on their 2nd attempt.
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Where is the "Cyclist" diversion? The signs only say "Pedestrians"
Does anyone know if the route is signed once you have turned off the path?
@chrisfl Your map seems to show a slightly different route ie to the West of Tesco. Is it just a footpath on the East side route shown on the contractors drawing - hence the difference?
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McD - good point, think I mush have automatically avoided the one way road when mapping, on the assumptions that cyclists would need to follow the one way system, a slightly better route, but I suspect that most people using that branch of the diversion will be aiming for Cramond Road South or Tesco's.
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Thanks Chris. My main point is that they haven't posted a diversion for people on bikes and the presumption when it says "pedestrians" is that it's a walking route.
There will be quite a few people using this route who don't know the area and probably don't have a map and the diversion is not intuitive IMO.
I shall "make enquiries"!Posted 6 years ago # -
Any int on the latest closures? As I cycled down under Telford Road on Friday there was fencing going in by people in Balfour Beatty jackets.
I don't cycle that way on a Monday, but I'll be taking my daughter to nursery on Tuesday and I'll need to work out if the diversion is cargo bike compatible...
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Just emailing Bryan Mackie.
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I was hoping we could make this thread a daily update on the closures/diversions. As helpful as Bryan is, any email he sends will inevitably not reflect the truth on the ground.
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Scope of [NEPN] works: A package of minor civils works spread across 55 sites plus 36 new benches with hardstanding’s. The civils works include: path resurfacing, path widening, over-edge drainage and new access controls
My bold.
Get ready for some chicanery...
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Blackhall Path Closure:
Ramped access to Telford Road and Wester Drylaw Row.
No diversion signage in place.Looked like they were getting close to closing the Blackhall Path at Silverknowes but I will check on the way home.
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Heading west, just after passing under Main St going into D Mains, there is a barrier and signage for "Pedestrians" diversion, which is signed to go up some 15-20 wooden steps (with wooden sleepers on the left to push a bike up) onto a path leading towards S'knowes Road East ... which has 3 stone steps leading down to SRdE. Not too surprisingly, cyclists are already (I was about the third set of tracks) going over the grass either side of these steps. That will very soon turn into a mud pit. (all that is needed is some boards - non-slip, of course...).
No further signage on how to rejoin the cycle route - but shouldn't be too difficult to see where to go, even for a visitor.Path from Craigleith-D Mains had been 'cleaned up' by a small mudplough which was near Craigleith when I passed around 1515.
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Further to Ed's post:
1. Moving forward signage will reference Pedestrians and Cyclists.2. Information boards with large maps are being provided at each closure point. In addition, for more complex diversions the contractor will erect notices along the diversion routes at key points (i.e. laminated posters on light columns).
3. You are correct – the diversion route though Tesco incorrectly indicates that cyclists should use the car park exit (signed as no-entry). Unfortunately we understand the information boards are already manufactured. However, I will discuss with the contractor the potential for additional temporary signs on-site.
4. In addition to the notification signs which will be erected in advance on site, we will issue notifications via email with details of future plans and diversions as the works progress.
5. Scope of works: A package of minor civils works spread across 55 sites plus 36 new benches with hardstanding’s. The civils works include: path resurfacing, path widening, over-edge drainage and new access controls. Please refer to attached map with the paths highlighted.
To which have replied:
Spokes and others would really like to know what is being done at each of the sites - even if it's just which of " path resurfacing, path widening, over-edge drainage and new access controls"
Do the "access controls" involve barriers? What are they intended to control?Drip ... drip ... drip
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