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Resurfacing of NEPN
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Posted 6 years ago #
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OK, I went along to Blackhall Path to see what was going on. Everything they were doing seemed to be next to the Silverknowes Road bridge.
They're widening the right fork that goes to Silverknowes Drive. They're doing work under the bridge and also to the east of the Bridge.
While there's some fairly rubbish patches at these parts - and it would be nice if they were resurfaced - there seems to be a lot of work that'll contribute very little to the cycling experience.
Thoughts?
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“Thoughts?”
#ThisIsEdinburgh
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There are two points along that stretch that always flood (one north of the Tesco path, the other between the Tesco path and the Main St bridge). The second of those has a very rough surface too - perhaps damaged by the regular flooding. If they're fixing those, it'll be well worthwhile.
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The second of those has a very rough surface too - perhaps damaged by the regular flooding. If they're fixing those, it'll be well worthwhile.
To this point - and I know these repairs were delayed - they haven't gone to the west side of the bridge. So it looks like that rough path will probably stay rough.
There are patches between this bridge and the next bridge (that goes up to Main St) that flood and/or are incredibly poor. At least one of these is untouched and look like it'll remain that way.
(It's far outside of the section that's been barriered off.)
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@gibbo
I think you mistake this "use up excess cash" exercise with an improvement exercise.
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According to the plans that I have seen, they will be working on both areas which have the problem with flooding.
I spoke to the active travel people last week and was told that drainage crates have been installed in the section they are currently working on so hopefully this will resolve the flooding.
It is my understanding that the other spot closer to the Main St bridge will get a similar drainage treatment.
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@neddie
I think you mistake this "use up excess cash" exercise with an improvement exercise.
I'm trying to establish whether what looks like - and sounds like - "let's spend money on cycling in pointless ways that don't impact driving" is what it seems ... or whether there's any attempt to get value for money.
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@davidsonsdave - there's only stepped access after Corbiehill Drive I think and i guess they have closed the whole section whilst they do both bits of work.
Loads of people were bypassing the southern fencing and riding or pushing bikes across the grass.@rbrtwtmn - note that Hawthornvale path is now closed for the works
I'm now on the notifications list and will ask if they can put this info on a website so we then only have to share a link.
I've been back to them re using clearer maps; adding "you are here"; and signing complicated routes along the wayRepeating my request for full disclosure of the list of planned works.
News coming through about the next closure.Posted 6 years ago # -
Roseburn Path - planned closure at Queensferry Road:
Message just received from AECOM contractor below. Views sought on closure diversion options. Any good suggestions?
You will shortly be receiving a notification for further essential closures to the Roseburn path at Queensferry Road. You will note a new approach with reduced working hours and access available outside these, as well as improved signage.
Looking ahead, we have a section of works which currently require a further path closure for 2 weeks on Roseburn around the A8 from 23rd April. I attach an initial submitted sketch of the diversion route from the Contractor. There are obvious concerns that the diversion would require cyclists to either dismount and walk along the A8 footway or cross the A8 and cycle on carriageway to reach Murrayfield Avenue.
We(AECOM) and the Council have reviewed further options of closing the path at Russell Road and introducing a secondary diversion spur via Roseburn Place and cross the A8 here. However, there are concerns that two options and the conflicting Haymarket road works diversions may be complex and confusing. It would also be proposed to reduce the working hours and opening the path outside these (9.30am to 4.00pm).
We have a couple of weeks to agree a plan for this diversion and I would welcome your views and feedback on whether this can be improved?
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The sketch 5.1 Roseburn Path 004 & 005 Diversion Route
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Mmm, maybe some temp lights so people can cross Ravelston Dykes!
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Will it be shut for the weekends?
PoP is 28th April and you'll have the Fife, Queensferry & North Edinburgh rides all using the Roseburn path!!
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Will let them know about PoP. Next works are planned over Easter to reduce impact. Fine for commuters but not for leisure riders won't be able to find their way so easily.
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Sorry @rbrtwtmn I couldn't resist having a go at editting your map. I've changed H'vale to "Closed" and added a splodge for the new Queensferry Road planned closure. Daren't meddle anymore. Could you message me how to create such a map - I'd thought any changes to OSM changed the base map so had shied away.
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@HankChief - my thoughts exactly !
It's called timing ...Posted 6 years ago # -
Roseburn Path: New closure announcement
(Map not very clear!)As part of the drainage and surfacing improvements on the Roseburn Path at Queensferry Road a full path closure and diversion will be in place commencing 9th April for 2 weeks. We appreciate this is a key section of the route which will also require a lengthy diversion between suitable access ramps, therefore:
· We have brought forward the programme for this section of work so it covers part of the Easter holidays in the hope that this will cause the least disruption – with works planned for the week commencing 9th April.
· Working hours will be reduced to 9.30am-4.00pm and the path will remain open outside these times.
· New advance signage and improved diversion maps and notices will be erected along the route.
· Email notifications will be issued in advance of the works commencing.
· Unfortunately, on the diversion route a crossing of Queensferry Road is unavoidable and cyclists will be directed to dismount and use the pedestrian crossing.
Please note that there will be a further path closure and diversion at the southern end of the Roseburn Path at the A8 from 23rd April for a further 2 weeks. We are currently working to establish a suitable diversion route and will share this with you as soon as this is available.
These works are essential as part of the on-going maintenance programme and we apologise in advance for any inconvenience that these works may cause. Please contact John McCormack John.McCormack@balfourbeatty.com with any queries. Alternatively, if you wish to discuss these works with a Council Officer please contact Bryan Mackie, Professional Officer, bryan.mackie@edinburgh.gov.uk or 0131 469 5678.
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McD - it was @chrisfl who set up the map people are using so I better not take any credit... and the idea was for people to edit it freely.
Here's a short link to it again to keep things simple:
http://u.osmfr.org/m/201305/I'm pleased to see it being used this way. My advice would be to do as Wikipedia suggests and 'be bold' - use it, edit it, and it'll become useful.
You're not actually doing anything to Openstreetmap here - the umap interface is simply set up to make it easy to draw lines/shapes/points on top of an Openstreetmap 'basemap'. In effect this is the same as many people have done using the Google Maps interface (but better for a whole set of reasons I'll happily spout off about elsewhere).
Don't be afraid of it. It's relatively easy to work out. The very worst that will happen is that you wipe off the lines that other people have drawn, but that's hardly going to be the end of the world. If you're a bit worried try drawing a line out in the sea somewhere to test what you're doing.
@chrisfl: I noticed that when a new map is set up on this system it's possible to share a secret link which makes it editable, and if I've understood right another link which doesn't provide editing rights. Could we set this map up in that way and then tweet the not-editable link more widely?
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Thanks.
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There's a useful cut through between Craigleith View and Drive that avoids having to go up the hill and down by the Holiday Inn. Perhaps a temp shared use path on the South side of Qferry road?
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@HankChief Re PoP weekend, following response received from Aecom:
Thanks for the information regarding the PoP event. I can confirm the contractor has been instructed to ensure the paths are fully open and accessible/safe over this weekend.
Martin
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@McD My point about the closed section from the Corbiehill to Main Street bridges is that they have closed it to both cyclists AND pedestrians.
The arguement for this is based on discouraging cyclists from using that section as there is no cyclable paved route beyond the Corbiehill Br. and that it needs to look closed by having a large barier accross the path in order to achieve this. I accept that but question its effectiveness.
What I really disagree with is for them to have specific signage placed to needlessly divert pedestrians onto a route which is over twice as long.
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Dates are liable to change not set in stone. Gives us something to work with though.
Spreadsheet.Posted 6 years ago # -
Without having read all the comments but the first load seemed to be asking why this surfacing is being done, I wanted to add that I believe it is mainly to do with flooding. And seeing as I had water reaching my pedals this morning it is definitely needed! Felt like I was cycling through a stream for most of the way... It is a well used path and improvements are due to it for drainage, and in some places, surfacing.
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“And seeing as I had water reaching my pedals this morning it is definitely needed!”
Where?
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I think it was the bit just after the red bridge over Ferry Road heading towards Haymarket. There were so many areas with the water covering the path but I think that was the deepest
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“just after the red bridge over Ferry Road heading towards Haymarket.“
Ah yes, sometimes better to go on the grass there!
Sort that and the drainage under the bridge at Craigleith and the dip/puddle at DMains and that’s most of the NEPN dealt with!
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"just after the red bridge over Ferry Road heading towards Haymarket."
There was a serious amount of water there mid afternoon - I took a look but turned back to go along Ferry Road instead as couldn't see me getting through it without putting a foot down or worse.
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Blackhall path to DMains open again this evening. Joining Silverknowes Road is much improved, not so convinced by the resurfacing of the flood-prone section by the bridge.
Updated the map:
http://u.osmfr.org/m/201305/Posted 6 years ago #
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