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Cyclist's flu

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  • Started 7 years ago by paddyirish
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  1. paddyirish
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    published here by The 100 Climbs Strava Club. Worth repeating in full.

    Man flu? Pah. Man flu is nothing compared to Cyclist’s flu. NOTHING.

    There’s been a bit in the news this week about Man Flu, some (male) scientist somewhere has claimed to prove it exists, which of course was instantly greeted by all women collectively sighing and placing their heads in their hands. Man flu, (or the common cold) as virulent as it is, is nothing though, nothing compared to cyclist’s flu. Man flu may stop you going into work, stop you going to the office party, but cyclist’s flu, that stops you riding your bike, that robs you of your very reason to live. You know it’s coming, bit of a sore throat, runny nose, then you start to feel tired and you ache, then it hits. Throw the training plan out of the window, throw everything out of the window, cancel Christmas, that's ruined, this is going to be BAD.

    Day one. You still look and feel like the ‘athlete’ you were the day before so you try to stay positive, maybe it will just blow over, you can have a day off, everything will be fine, it’s not the end of the world.

    Day two. You are still ill, it’s the end of the world. You immediately notice the transition to civilian start to take place. Like a butterfly metamorphosing back to a caterpillar you sit and watch your muscles waste and your belly expand.

    Day three. By now ALL fitness you had has gone, vanished, all those hours in the saddle, the endless conditioning robbed from you in the blink of an eye, you now begin to re-evaluate your whole life.

    Day four. Your family are now stretched to breaking point and ready to disown you. If you moan ONCE more it will mean divorce. You try to explain to your wife the seriousness of the situation but she just doesn’t understand. She tells you you have a cold, she has NO IDEA how bad it is so you call your mum for the third time that day, she hangs up on you, you are now alone.

    Day five. Every item of cycling kit you own has now been washed but you have no where to put it because half of it is usually in the wash and it is bulging out of your drawers. You have to take the bus or the car if you are well enough to leave the house then you see other riders out, people who still have their health and the envy eats you up inside.

    Day six. You have now forgotten what riding a bike felt like, you sit there looking at it, remembering the good times you had together in what seems like a previous life, the memories, like your fitness fading into history.

    Day seven. it’s now been a whole week, your Strava feed is empty, you have nothing to tweet about, and nothing to share on Instagram. You wake up on Sunday morning and by 7am you are bored and lost. I mean, what do ‘normal’ people do on a Sunday morning. You turn the TV on then 30 seconds later you turn it off because you realise that’s why you took up cycling in the first place, to get away from the banality of watching people cook on TV.

    Day eight. You’re too scared to use the scales, too much damage has been done, how can a cold, sorry, cyclist’s flu, last this long, has anyone ever had seven days off the bike and recovered? If I can make a comeback how long will it take? Weeks? Months? Will I ever get my old self back?

    Day nine. OK, you feel like you’ve turned a corner, you are far from better but there is just a glimmer of positivity. You talk yourself into going on the turbo for half an hour, but then you think what’s the point? There’s too much work to be done, where do I start? Heaven knows I’m miserable now.

    Day 10. You venture out, and smash a local KOM, at last you are back, what a nightmare it was. No one will ever understand what you have been through or the effort you put in to get back to fitness, it is a personal struggle they will never comprehend, but you did it because you stayed strong, you didn’t moan and you fought through the worst nine days of your life.

    Happy Christmas everyone, stay healthy and stay safe.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  2. unhurt
    Member

    Hmm. The "cyclists = men" (with non - cycling wives to boot) baseline assumption rather takes the shine off that.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  3. Lighten up, it's poking fun at cyclists in general. Does it actually say the cyclist is a man?

    I thought it was quite funny, especially the kit part.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  4. paddyirish
    Member

    @galaxy

    +1

    I find it quite sad that men can't gently mock themselves without someone taking offence.

    I took from the first paragraph the pretty blatant implication that female cyclists were immune to cyclist's flu, as I assume they are to man flu. There is only one reference to a wife in the whole post and her cycling/non-cycling status was unmentioned and irrelevant.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  5. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @paddyirish, @unhurt - do either of you like circuses?

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  6. sallyhinch
    Member

    A humourless feminist writes:

    I think you have slightly missed Unhurt's point. There's nothing wrong with poking fun at cyclists from within. What's a bit galling is when the assumption is that 'cyclist' must mean a man (or a married lesbian, I suppose) and that 'wives' must be by default non-cyclists. That leaves a lot of us female cyclists wondering why we don't even appear in the picture

    It seems a really trivial point - hey it's just a joke! But remember far more of our decisions and biases are unconscious than we are aware of and if we constantly talk as if cyclists=men then little girls (and grown women) will pick up that message and will be even more reluctant to cycle than they already are given all the other barriers.

    So next time we're wondering why women don't cycle or why mums are so reluctant to abandon their cars for the school run, just consider whether we've been casually excluding them from the joy of cycling by jokes which could have easily been very slightly reworded to make them about everybody

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  7. sallyhinch
    Member

    and yeah, it *was* funny, which makes it worse, because it would have been equally funny if the word 'wife' had been replaced with 'partner' and the pronouns changed.

    In fact, chaps, try reading it again, but with 'wife' changed to 'husband' and 'she' changed to 'he'. How does that make you feel about the joke? Does it seem like it's a bit excluding and not about you?

    Posted 7 years ago #
  8. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Does it seem like it's a bit excluding and not about you?

    It does that for me regardless of the pronouns because I'm not that kind of cyclist. But I could be that kind of cyclist even with different genitals.

    It has got a bit of a seventies sitcom vibe, but all the same it just doesn't rattle my cage. It's interesting that it clearly does get other's goats. Is it really outside the standard (I find highly inclusive) CCE boundaries?

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  9. redmist
    Member

    I think strecthing the joke out to 9 days is a bit much - is any cyclist ever going to take 9 days off the bike for a cold ?
    I do empathise with feeling like you're losing precious fitness after a mere couple of days of inactivity. In reality the rest is probably doing you some good and when you do come back your enthusiasm is renewed ;-)

    Posted 7 years ago #
  10. sallyhinch
    Member

    Well, it may not rattle your cage, but consider you're not being put in the woman cage all the time, so maybe you don't notice these things as much.

    CCE is largely a very civilised and inclusive space so that's probably why Unhurt felt it was worth raising it. There are many other cycling fora where we just wouldn't bother, if we even spent any time there at all any more.

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  11. Min
    Member

    IWRATS - it wouldn't bother you because you have not had to spend your entire life with the "cyclists = men" assumption chip chip chipping at you the whole time.

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  12. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    consider you're not being put in the woman cage all the time, so maybe you don't notice these things as much

    Absolutely no doubt about that.

    CCE is largely a very civilised and inclusive space so that's probably why Unhurt felt it was worth raising it

    That sounds right too.

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  13. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    IWRATS - it wouldn't bother you because you have not had to spend your entire life with the "cyclists = men" assumption

    Yes indeed. The whole thing sounds worthy of its own thread.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  14. Min
    Member

    Oh we have tried that and it goes all h*lm*ts...

    Posted 7 years ago #
  15. unhurt
    Member

    What @sallyhinch said. Not being That Kind Of Cyclist doesn't quite equate. And yes, mostly I wouldn't bother saying anything because, well. I could write the responses for myself. (Those of you frustrated by the stock responses to news articles about cyclists might like to consider that this rule applies to other topics too...) Anyway there is never a Correct Response to the drip, drip, drip, drip of background cultural sexism. So I guess I will continue to sometimes point it out and then feel slightly exhausted by the inevitable round of "but I don't see it that way / aren't you just overreacting? / but it's just a joke, don't you have a sense of humour?". Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to not shave my legs.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  16. fimm
    Member

    I was amused; and didn't particularly notice the "cyclist=male" assumption. And I'm female.
    BUT
    If all of us aren't challenged on things like this then the way we think and speak and do won't change, when it should.

    Example: I want to joke that my colleague is "such a girl" or "in touch with his feminine side" because he spends ages going round the supermarket and can't park his car without faff. But I've stopped doing it because I realise that that is using negative stereotypes of women and just because I'm female that doesn't make it OK.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  17. Frenchy
    Member

    If all of us aren't challenged on things like this then the way we think and speak and do won't change, when it should.

    Well said.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  18. Greenroofer
    Member

    I'm with fimm.

    I was on a course today (about project management, of all things) and did notice that every time the trainer drew a 'product owner', 'scrum master' or 'developer' on the flipchart, they were indisputably* male. I would estimate that the room of 21 delegates was pretty evenly split 50/50 male/female.

    Five of my seven direct reports are women. Four of them do seem to insist on calling themselves 'the girls', even though they are well past the age of majority.

    I feel slightly sheepish about both of these things: if I (as a chap) challenge them I think I'm going to come across as a bit weird. If a female colleague challenges them she's going to come across as a humourless feminist.

    (*There was no biology on show, but how many women have you seen wearing a top hat?).

    Posted 7 years ago #
  19. wingpig
    Member

    "CCE is largely a very civilised and inclusive space..."

    ...though there have been instances of usage of ick like "man up" or even "grow a pair", which from context did not appear to mean ovaries.

    Even relatively enlightened subsections of society are still full of ground-in gendered terms, but it would hopefully be easier to request the cessation of their use in such an environment?

    It's going to be a long job, but every little bit will help. When my four and seven year old children are bringing it home from school and nursery, you know there's still a long way to go, so keep chipping away.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  20. sallyhinch
    Member

    @greenroofer - it doesn't help that almost all collective terms for women seem to carry a bit of baggage. I'd prefer being referred to as 'the girls' to 'the ladies' because to me 'ladies' carries connotations of ladylike behaviour but for other people it's the other way round. I suppose we could be grown up and call ourselves 'the women' but that also carries connotations of 70s feminist 'wimmin' baggage.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  21. sallyhinch
    Member

    Oh and I would say that it would be very powerful if you as a chap called out the trainer on their use of the male as the default gender. That way you're saying it's an issue for all of us, and not leave it to the women to always do the work of calling it out because as Unhurt has suggested, it can get quite tiring.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  22. Nelly
    Member

    I don't disagree at all with the sexist stereotype chat (my wife is a NED of a feminist organisation, so this subject is discussed often), and it's obvious from everything in the media that there is a long way to go......see Matt Damon

    Is it possible (even probable, if it was an amateur writer just dashing this off in a lunch hour) that he was writing a fictional account from his own perspective - and perhaps the characterisation reflects his own life (where he cycles and his wife does not)?

    That isn't a defence of everyday sexism, which does exist, but it might not be the case here.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  23. gembo
    Member

    Recently at our wee cinema in Balerno We had the film director Leslee Udwin showing her movie India's Daughter about the brutal gang rape of the medical student on the bus in Delhi. Leslee has a pre-school curriculum called Think Equal that she sees as the way forward in tackling gender inequality. Amazingly we also had scriptwriter Paul Laverty of I Daniel Blake in the audience who asked Leslee a good question about Marxist feminist class analysis and patriarchy. My contribution was to give them both a choc ice. If you do not count me getting everyone to do the Pearl and Dean pa-pas as community singing due to our technical issues.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  24. the canuck
    Member

    bring back "the gals"!!

    "Well, it may not rattle your cage, but consider you're not being put in the woman cage all the time, so maybe you don't notice these things as much."

    this, so many times over. and not just male/female, but able-bodied/less able, income levels, etc.

    it's not hard to be inclusive, but it is hard to convince people that it makes life better for everyone.

    Posted 7 years ago #

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