No. I am not sure why you brought it up as a subject at all. We are all concerned about the creeping monopoly of public spaces for private endeavour, and risk of terrorism was your first suggestion? The risk is not peculiar or limited to the way the Christmas market is built.
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“New firm poised to control half of Princes St Gardens”
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I thought @neddie made a perfectly valid (if slightly paranoid) criticism of inviting crowds of people to linger on an improvised platform.
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If we're banning structures which can have crowds on or near them then we will have lots of space for cycle lanes very soon.
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Don’t wish to inflame this.
There’s risk, risk, probabilities, reasonable precautions, reasonable paranoia, and ‘if people don’t talk about things and they won’t happen’ denialism.
In context -
I was at a planning meeting on Monday for an event happening on November 5th which is “well advertised” and “attracts thousands of people”.
Someone asked some ‘what if’ questions. The room went quiet.
The event isn’t cancelled, there’ll be no concrete blocks or armed police.
Lots of parking cones and parking restriction enforcement planned - to reduce the chaos caused by people who expect to drive everywhere and park anywhere.
On the day of the Grenfell Tower report it’s worth reflecting on danger and randomness and vested interests.
Life involves considering relativity and proportionality.
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What is a respectful way to treat memorial benches if you are moving them for this Xmas tatt fest/? If the one that was on its side hadn’t fallen over it would maybe have looked ok???
Parks dept employees wear white gloves. Each bench is carefully lifted and transported in bubble wrap and cushioned van to the memorial bench resting warehouse which is heated and ventilated. Each day the park dept white gloved employee spray on the pledge and give a light dusting?
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The Cockburn believes that there are multiple, systemic failures in the governance and management of this proposals. We state again, the Cockburn recognises the value to the City of such events such as the Christmas Market but has significant concerns about creep of commercialisation in our public parks and places. The structure erected here is so grossly out of keeping with previous events and is so incongruous in scale that it destroys the very character of the city which the operators are trying to exploit.
A fundamental, independent review is required. We hope that our Civic Leaders understand that Edinburgh is not their plaything to do with what they will, and that public regulatory processes apply as much to them and their contractors as to the rest of us.
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http://www.cockburnassociation.org.uk/blog/84/41/Christmas-Anomaly-Continued/
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Meanwhile in t'other half of the Gardens:
"The gardens would be accessed from Princes Street by the welcome centre." (give me strength!)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-50290135
https://www.theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2019/11/consultation-dates-for-west-princes-street-gardens/
Non-statutory consultation (should one choose to engage):
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Councillors have agreed to investigate potentially moving a controversial Christmas market out of Princes Street Gardens in 2020 – as the company behind the event was accused of “treating this city with contempt”.
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Just in case the Royal Mile was feeling left out after Princes Street Gardens getting all the press...
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Maybe it actually is to be a reconstructed Netherbow. I mean, Tower Bridge in London is just a self-supporting steel frame underneath all that fancy stone cladding.
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CHECK THE DATE!!!
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17th November 2019, 3.30pm
There will be nothing old-fashioned about the traditional start to Edinburgh’s Christmas celebrations this year
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SO
Removed on the 18th?
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Yes (more or less); it takes much longer to setup than take down.
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The "traditional" start of Edinburgh's Christmas celebrations involves a pile of shipping containers on the Lawnmarket in the middle of November? Wow, I gave up even the slightest pretence of understanding fashions years ago - now it seems I can't even keep up with traditions.
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Broughton Spurtle, the Greens & even the Chipwrapper deserve great credit in holding Underbelly & the council’s feet to the fire over this debacle
Paul Lawrence’s jaikit must be on an increasingly shoogly peg
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Not Christmas Market aftermath.
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Cockburn Assoc goes mass market tonight:
700 attendees signed up already apparently
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looks interesting
if they all show up (they wont) will be busted.
Facilitated by Journalist, Broadcaster and Presenter Stephen Jardine (BBC Scotland's Debate Night).
Contributors will include:
David McGillivray, Professor in Event and Digital Cultures at University of the West of Scotland (UWS). David has been involved in research exploring the role of major events in the transformation of urban space.
Cliff Hague, Professor Emeritus of Planning and Spatial Development at Heriot-Watt University in Edinburgh, Past President of the Royal Town Planning Institute and of the Commonwealth Association of Planners and Chair of the Cockburn Association.
Dr Michelle Hipwell, Accredited Health Psychologist and active member of the Astley Ainslie Community Trust.
Mariana Trusson, Chartered Engineer who specialises in sustainable design strategy. She has building physics, health, well-being and sustainability teams for consultancies in Scotland and the North East and was the former Chair of the Edinburgh Sustainable Development Partnership.
Andy Wightman, MSP writer and researcher best known for his work on land ownership in Scotland. Andy is an expert on Common Good land.
Entry is free, but please book to give us an idea of numbers. If you have any additional needs, or require wheelchair access, please let us know in advance.Doors will open at 18:30 for a 19:00 start.Event flyer here - please share!
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