It’s ok, we just need more education to make the roads safer.
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Today's Nick Cook frothing
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Ignoring the surreal spectacle of a Tory criticising opposition parties for "Trumpian" tactics, I just do not understand the argument here.
The 20mph policy is being subjected to an unprecedented level of scrutiny. It has, so far, been found to have reduced both traffic speeds and collisions, broadly in line with predictions. If the Edinburgh 20mph limit saves just two lives, or avoids just 10 serious injuries, it will have paid for itself. (UK Government figures)
This is a far better record than that of road safety education, e.g. The World Health Organisation is pretty clear that road safety education does not reduce casualty numbers, stating:
"As the previous section showed, when used in support of legislation and law enforcement, publicity and information can create shared social norms for safety. However, when used in isolation, education, information and publicity do not generally deliver tangible and sustained reductions in deaths and serious injuries (26, 190, 217). Historically, considerable emphasis has been placed on efforts to reduce road user error through traffic safety education – for example, in pedestrian and cycle education for school children, and in advanced and remedial driver training schemes. Although such efforts can be effective in changing behaviour (218), there is no evidence that they have been effective in reducing rates of road traffic crashes (218, 219) (see Box 4.6)"
EDIT: Also, a report by Prof. Frank McKenna for those those well-known lefties at the RAC Foundation, which states:
"Among professional circles there is increasing impatience at the role of education, with some arguing that educational measures serve to divert attention and resources away from measures that would achieve results."
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All politicians in the UK of GB&NI now seem to seek to take the position of the external critic of something. Could be the EU, could be the UK, could be environmentalists and lefties.
If I was seeking to make a career in politics I'd be very tempted to do this. Much easier and much more fun that trying to agree what's best to do.
We all know that Nick Cook will be a list MSP in the next parliament if that body is to be allowed to continue.
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Who is this Phil chasing McInness? (spelling?)
I get using social media to communicate, but the dude appears to be a cyclist and a greenie, but has a hate on for a councillor who appears to be trying to move towards cycle/green. (I could well be mistaken.)Posted 5 years ago # -
Ugh, Phil. He seems to reply to every tweet posted by any pro-cycling councillor within about five seconds to complain about something.
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I wondered if 'Phil' was a robot, or someone trolling, or similar (e.g. foreign destabilisation). Seems utterly ridiculous to suggest this, but actually what's emerged over the last couple of years in terms of the use of social media in this way is ridiculous - or at least deeply surprising. I'll not link to them, but some of his personal comments on a particular senior Sustrans member of staff went a very long way beyond 'right to free speech' or 'right to have a point of view' in my opinion - being repellent and nothing at all to do with this person's work or behaviour...
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Indeed, both from Phil and a certain other ‘George Street belongs to cars’ troll. I wonder whether they’d say the same things should that staff member be male.
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@rbrtwtmn - That was a different person making comments about the Sustrans employee. Unless he did it too, of course.
Phil seems to have genuine complaints a lot of the time - council vans parked on pavements, accumulating rubbish, etc. - but doesn't seem to have figured out that councillors are human beings, and constantly berating them isn't the way to get them to help you.
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I'm not even sure Phil is a cyclist. I suspect he is posting other people's videos. You can try to interact with him, but he never replies...
Either way, as Frenchy says, spamming Lesley MacI (and others) with 7 videos, always the same ones, is no way to get her to help you. I'm not sure what he hopes to achieve, I suspect he was blocked by Lesley and Daisy long ago.
It shows a very low level of social intelligence.
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Agree with the comment above--Phil seems a little on the Incel side.
maybe someone could impersonate him the way Lollercakes is being copied? and post lots of helpful comments?Posted 5 years ago # -
maybe someone could impersonate him the way Lollercakes is being copied? and post lots of helpful comments?
That's a much better use for social media ;)RE the certain person commenting on the certain Sustrans member - he's back on Twitter with a new account by the looks of things.
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Phil really seems to have it in for the buses & the police. Believes that buses are the cause of all pollution & danger.
https://twitter.com/chsuptroads/status/1187855769418567682?s=21
Is he an ex police officer?
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Quelle surprise
https://twitter.com/CllrNickCook/status/1190313159564943360?s=19
"Delighted to have been selected as @ScotTories candidate for Edinburgh South. My home constituency. The only liberal, democratic candidate, I'll respect recent referenda and stand up to the SNP/Labour council running Edinburgh into the ground. "
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In the 2017 election, Ian Murray MP had the highest vote share in Scotland (54.9%) and the largest winning margin (32.4%). The SNP candidate (pro-cycling good guy Jim Eadie) was a distant second - and he had been the MSP for the area previously.
Also, 78% of voters in Edinburgh South voted remain in the Brexit referendum. Ian Murray is a founder of the people's vote campaign and their Scottish lead.
I think Nick might need to step up the gull patrols to be in with a chance.
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Are he, and his feckless colleague out in Edinburgh West, expected to resign as councillors to fight the GE campaign?
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Yes, Ian Murray will be returned. It's unlikely that Mr Cook will even get a second leaflet. In 2017 I'm not even sure they told Ms Smith she was standing.
When I met Mr Cook in his mum's garage in late 2013 Mr Murray's chief of staff was also present. The wall between Labour and Conservative parties in Edinburgh South is not so much paper as gossamer-thin.
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In the European elections, Labour came sixth in the constituency...
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@mgj
I think Labour will do very badly in Scotland. I also think Mr Murray will do very well in Edinburgh South. There's no contradiction.
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He said: “The Council’s transport convener might want to use the new year to park the divisive language her administration directs at car users, not just in Edinburgh, but now right across the east of Scotland.
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I think Labour will do very badly in Scotland. I also think Mr Murray will do very well in Edinburgh South.
IWRATSADAMUS.
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This is why children shouldn’t play with knives
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Is there a man among us who hasn't taken the top off their left thumb while doing a cheffy chiffonade?
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Fantastic bit of frothing today on Twitter.
In response to the story about Gaelic education in the Western Isles, Nick says that he benefited from a bilingual education.
Lesley McInnes says - I didn’t know that, which other language are you fluent in?
When Nick then says that he studied three other languages in school (as many people do), Lesley gently points out that in fact that isn’t bilingual education and isn’t the same as the bilingual education being discussed in the Western aisles.
Nick takes the huff and starts shouting that Lesley is stopping him talking about Scottish issues because he’s a Unionist.
Small correction to his misunderstanding, massive overreaction.
Edinburgh politics at its finest once more.
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I was going to say that Latin would be one of Nick's many languages but then he would know the meaning bilingual.
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Nick Cook thinks that there are some people in social media who regularly troll him...
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Nick asks challenging questions.
We “troll”.
I see.
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More post democracy language from the Tory party.
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Given that Cllr Cook is an elected member of the far-right anti-immigrant nationalist Conservative party I think people are very polite to him.
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Interesting tho’ - one person’s satire is another’s trolling
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