Again, WELL DONE - for sticking with this.
Obviously it’s in your interest, but others will benefit from this and, perhaps, reducing chances of future nonsense like this.
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Long Dalmahoy Road closed to cyclists
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Posted 6 years ago #
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@Frenchy: Either that tellmescotland web site is actually useless, or roads are being closed without TROs. There's a road near me that's been closed for resurfacing since Tuesday but there doesn't seem to be any sign of an active TRO for it on that web site.
(The road does badly need resurfacing, though. There is a raised seam about 2" high running down the middle of it due to degradation of the surface along the southern half of the carriageway. The degraded surface was horrible to ride on, but much worse was the hazard created by the roughly 100m long step running along the crown of the road. And this was on a street liberally scattered with parked cars, so you are forced to cross to the other side of the carriageway at several points along it. I'll be interested to see how effective the remedial works have been once the machinery has gone.)
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I think it's (mainly) the former. The map only shows 150 results at a time, so best to search for the actual road name.
EDIT: The link I posted is also to archived TROs.
Another edit: Actually, these only seem to be full TROs. Most road closures will be Temporary TROs.
Posted 6 years ago # -
"There were no notices found matching the provided search criteria." That's both the live and the archive searches.
:(
The data is clearly incomplete. If I search for Haymarket Terrace it shows me planning applications as well as TROs. If I search for my street I get nothing, zip, nada - although I know there should be a planning application in the archive for the (disruptive and poorly-executed) extension/remodelling of the house next door to us.
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It seems like Midlothian council submits all their TTROs, as there's stuff in there about small road closures for events etc, but Edinburgh doesn't. I'm not sure how you're meant to find them elsewhere. Perhaps there's only a legal requirement for them to be posted locally?
Posted 6 years ago # -
Council officer (from a while back):
"There is no consultation process when implementing TTROs, therefore we do not include them on our Traffic Orders web page as this is primarily used for consultation purposes concerning proposed Traffic Regulation Orders & Road Scotland Orders."
Posted 6 years ago # -
road open for pedestrain and cyclists
The road is properly open again for pedestrians and cyclists. Although the pic does not show it well can wheel bike through no lifting. The council were out today. Was still passable this morning but was easy tonight would imagine in the day may be a little more difficult with works going on. The main thing farmer is allowing cyclists through again.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Nice work!
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So was it determined if he was allowed to fully close the road?
Fairly sure I'd get into some trouble with the law if I tried that on my street...
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The council did not state when I asked if the works had a TTRO, the council initially seemed to have little knowledge of the work it was not on the council map, then put on in the wrong place. I would guess there was no valid TTRO. In these circumstances a colleague advised council will normally backdate a retrospective TTRO.
A slight weakness of Edinburgh council not appearing to having a public record of TTROS on line means its more difficult to know than need be, which in part may relate to types of unregulated road works in Edinburgh, if there was a public record of TTROs and TROs on line then someone may have checked this prior to myself.
Posted 6 years ago # -
I noticed on Friday that a TTRO noticed has been put up on a telegraph pole permitting cyclists and pedestrians
Posted 6 years ago # -
Sterling work there Ed1
Posted 6 years ago # -
The fietsclub Balerno A Team only managed their route today because Ed 1 was pushing for the road to open.
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Out of curiosity, I did an FoI request for the TRO, which I might as well post here: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/510528/response/1232925/attach/3/Traffic%20order%20Long%20Dalmahoy%20Road.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1
The response also referred me to https://www.roadworksscotland.org/ which seems like a useful site that I don't think I'd come across before.
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@Frenchy: That whatdotheyknow.com link doesn't work. All I get is "(null)".
Posted 6 years ago # -
Appears that their whole site is down - I'll check it again later.
EDIT: Working for me now.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Had a lovely uninterrupted ride along here on Saturday - thanks!
Seemed like a few different worksites only affecting half the road, I wonder if it is clearer at the weekend than during the week?
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The work has mainly been on weekdays Monday to Fridays but also some Saturdays morning. When the digger is working sometimes have to dismount and go around it.
Posted 6 years ago # -
The road closure is not showing on the council map (again). I was expecting a parcel from DPD they said I was out when I was in, the picture they showed was the road closure sign . Royal mail managed to deliver a letter
Posted 5 years ago # -
I tweeted Edinburgh travel and they have added the closure to the map. I have not noticed a TTRO showing my the road
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I tweeted Edinburgh travel and they have added the closure to the map. I have not noticed a TTRO showing by the road, Edinburgh travel show there is one.
THE CITY OF EDINBURGH COUNCIL
THE CITY OF EDINBURGH COUNCIL (LONG DALMAHOY ROAD, EDINBURGH) (TEMPORARY ROAD RESTRICTION AND TRAFFIC REGULATION) ORDER 2018 - TEMP/18/187
THE CITY OF EDINBURGH COUNCIL in exercise of the powers conferred on them by Section 14 (1) (a) of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, as amended by the Roads (Scotland) Act 1984, and of all other powers enabling them in that behalf hereby make the following Order: -
1. This Order may be ciled as "The City of Edinburgh Council (Long Dalmahoy Road, Edinburgh) (Temporary Road Restriction and Traffic Regulation) Order 2018" and shall come into operation on the Seventh day of January Two thousand and nineteen and shall remain in force up to and including the Seventeenth day of February Two thousand and nineteen.
2. Save as provided in Article 3 of this Order, to facilitate service transfer works, no person shall drive or cause or permit to be driven any vehicle on Long Dalmahoy Road from its junction with Haggs Farm Road to its junction with Ravelrig Road, as signed as affected by the works.
3. Nothing in Article 2 of this Order shall apply to any vehicle which is there in actual connection with the works.
4. The alternative routes for through vehicular traffic are by way of; Warriston Farm Road, Curriehill Road, A71, Haggs Farm Road and vice versa, as signed. Access for emergency vehicles will be maintained. Pedestrian traffic and access will be maintained.Executed by the City of Edinburgh Council this Nineteeth day of December Two thousand and eighteen.
Witness HollyRobertson, Executive Director of place ED Kennedy
Posted 5 years ago # -
There is a sign up saying Long Dalmahoy Road closed between 20/08 to the 21/08 between 9.30 and 15.30.
How do I see the TTRO to see if cycle access will be maintained are they on the council website?
There is a sign but no TTRO notice visibly placed on Long Dalmahoy road.
I noticed the closure is showing on the council map of road closures but says its for 1 day. The sign also says its closed between Curriehill road and Ravelrig road.
http://edinburgh.cdmf.info/public/map/map.htm
If the closure is where it is showing on the map then could use Warriston farm road. However the map has been wrong before.
Posted 5 years ago # -
Disappointing, but entirely expected.
The last time this road was closed, without any qualification on the signage, a club run took to the A70 (in small, well spaced apart groups) and there was a very close shave, that would certainly have been a fatality had impact occurred, when a motorist overtook through a junction while cyclists were turning right.
Subsequent investigation revealed that the road was not closed to cyclists.
I wrote to the Council pointing out that a fatality would have a higher cost tomthe taxpayer than putting up accurate signage and requesting that in future all closures are accurately signed as regards applicability. There was some response from the department responsible.
If the worst should occur this time then the Council would be hard put to avoid some blame: the way H&S works is that if you have been made aware of an issue and done nothing then the buck stops with you.
Perhaps someone on here who has the ear of an appropriate person could remind the Council of the need for accurate signage.
Posted 5 years ago # -
Disappointing, but entirely expected.
The last time this road was closed, without any qualification on the signage, a club run took to the A70 (in small, well spaced apart groups) and there was a very close shave, that would certainly have been a fatality had impact occurred, when a motorist overtook through a junction while cyclists were turning right.
Subsequent investigation revealed that the road was not closed to cyclists.
I wrote to the Council pointing out that a fatality would have a higher cost to the taxpayer than putting up accurate signage and requesting that in future all road closures in their remit are accurately signed as regards applicability. There was some response from the department responsible.
If the worst should occur this time then the Council would be hard put to avoid some blame: the way H&S works is that if you have been made aware of an issue and done nothing then the buck stops with you.
Perhaps someone on here who has the ear of an appropriate person could remind the Council of the need for accurate signage.
Posted 5 years ago # -
The last time the road was closed last year the contractor did not appear to have a live TTRO initially. The council was not aware the road was closed. The contractor had put signs saying round closed but nothing else.
When cycling down the road I was told by farmer not allowed as road closed. This subsequently turned out to be a case of someone putting a sign up saying road closed.
I tweeted it to Edinburgh travel who claimed no knowledge of this closure, who then put it on the Map in the wrong place. I then contacted them again to get it in the right place.
I then contacted the council about the road being closed to cyclists and pedestrians. The council claimed there was still cycle and pedestrian access but there was not.
I then contacted again to say no access and enquired about the TTRO to find out what this permitted. The council sent someone out and after that cycle and pedestrian flow was maintained, a TTRO noticed appeared sometime after, quite possibly a retrospective TTRO.
It appears in practice to a close a road could just put sign up, could also report it to Edinburgh travel, this does not ensure a TTRO notice as even when was on the map in the right place no live TTRO from what could gather.
The problem may be that Edinburgh council unlike some councils do not put the live TTRO on their website as far as can gather, so have to contact to verify or try Edinburgh travel.
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