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The mother of all consultations

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  1. neddie
    Member

    From @crowriver

    The mother of all consultations. Is this the consultation to end all consultations? We can but hope, lest more young optimists give their lives ticking boxes in the next consultation.....a consultation without end.

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    The City of Edinburgh Council @Edinburgh_CC

    How do you want #Edinburgh to look, feel and function? Bold new #placemaking ideas to make the Capital easier to walk, cycle, use public transport and spend time in are up for debate in our major new consultation:

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/news/article/2548/have_your_say_in_major_edinburgh_placemaking_consultation

    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/connecting-our-city-transforming-our-places/

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/connectingplaces/

    Posted 6 years ago #

  2. neddie
    Member

    Through 'Connecting our City, Transforming our Places', the City of Edinburgh Council is setting out bold, ambitious ideas that will help achieve the Edinburgh 2050 vision; a fairer, thriving, connected and inspired city.

    Closes 12 Nov 2018

    Posted 6 years ago #

  3. toomanybikes
    Member

    Document says half of Edinburgh can cycle to city centre in 30 minutes, which seems very low. 95% of population can surely. 30 minutes is what google maps says from the bypass

    Consultation was easy (little to lengthily disagree with) , but it feels like the LEZ is going to be spectacularly unambitious.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  4. jonty
    Member

    "Edinburgh" goes out to Queensferry in the west - I think you might be right that it's (unhelpfully) by area, not population.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  5. neddie
    Member

    Spokes tweet:

    https://twitter.com/SpokesLothian/status/1041734603537571840

    Posted 6 years ago #

  6. crowriver
    Member

    So there I was, filled out the whole thing, then after the equal opps monitoring, click "next" and the page says "Consultation unavailable". Still unavailable at time of writing. Server gremlins? Sudden rush of demand? Bloody annoying anyway - luckily saved my comments to a text file as I went along...

    EDIT: now back up, majority of my responses were still there so all good. Have now completed the survey, done and dusted. Not bad actually compared to some others, it was remarkably easy to express preferences and add in extra comments.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  7. gembo
    Member

    Did complete. Was not too bad. Did point out consultations not acted on.

    Survey at end about experience of doing the survey a little recursive

    Posted 6 years ago #

  8. crowriver
    Member

    Yes, recursive and self-referential. Like postmodern literature...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_on_a_winter%27s_night_a_traveler

    Posted 6 years ago #

  9. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    19 Do you have any other ideas, big or small, about how Edinburgh can support its economy, connect its communities and transform its streets and public spaces?
    Ideas:

    1) Make walking and cycling to school the norm. A network of safe, segregated paths from each school to its catchment area, taking priority whenever and wherever it crosses the motor vehicle network.

    2) Rip out the Picardy Place gyratory.

    Can't help myself sometimes. Bitter. Grievance.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  10. acsimpson
    Member

    "1) Make walking and cycling to school the norm. A network of safe, segregated paths from each school to its catchment area, taking priority whenever and wherever it crosses the motor vehicle network."

    Are you condoning toucan crossings at the boundaries between catchment areas? With the city being covered by just 3 catchments (RC secondary) I suppose that would be an acceptable arrangement.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  11. crowriver
    Member

    @acsimpson, indeed it would!

    Posted 6 years ago #

  12. neddie
    Member

    Original thread...

    Link to the consultation:

    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/connecting-our-city-transforming-our-places/

    Closes 12th Nov 2018

    SPOKES response here:

    http://www.spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/1810-Spokes-response-CET-consultn-final.pdf

    Posted 6 years ago #

  13. neddie
    Member

    Some info from gembo, copied over from the other thread:

    picked up this informative brochure at work.

    good stats, three models (business as usual, strategic approach, transformatinal approach) Fifteen laudable aims, lots of lovely photos of Edinburgh - page 16 great shot on the yatrds of segregated infra we have outside Tills Bookshop, pg 21 leith links allotment path lovely if empty

    63500 fifers driving cars into Edinburgh every day (ok, also west lothian, east lothian etc), pg 27 Sustrans phot at Russell Road cargo bikes, looks likle The Mighty Hankchief's jacket

    learning frok Oslo, Barcelona, Copenhagen

    but the futurists have to go to Helnsinki, Copenhagen and somewhere else - Dunkirk?

    Posted 6 years ago #

  14. unhurt
    Member

    Stupid Q as was pestering people to respond yesterday, but does "closes on the 12th" mean it closes at 00:00 tonight (Sunday 11th) or 24 hours hence? Generally if someone says something ends on [date] I interpret that as the last day the thing is active, but...

    Posted 6 years ago #

  15. chdot
    Admin

    Tomorrow

    Midnight (usually) or end of office day (sometimes).

    Posted 6 years ago #

  16. unhurt
    Member

    Thanks, that is the answer I was hoping for. Some of my colleagues shall be pressed into resonding the morn!

    Posted 6 years ago #

  17. chdot
    Admin

    “pressed into resonding the morn”

    Sounds painful.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  18. unhurt
    Member

    All in a good cause. Though perhaps with more P.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  19. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I don't know why but I'm imagining the council officers spraying themselves with diesel and roaring 'BROOM BROOM' as they open up the consultation dashboard.*

    *A massive polychrome spreadsheet e-mailed from a dude in IT?

    Posted 6 years ago #

  20. wingpig
    Member

    "I'm imagining the council officers spraying themselves with diesel and roaring 'BROOM BROOM' as they open up the consultation dashboard."

    To be filed alongside kaputnik's mental vignette of Keith Brown:

    "When I am very exasperated and angry with the man, I usually imagine him as a bit of a simpleton, who whiles away his days playing with toy cars in his ministerial office, making broom-broom noises, occassionally taking a crayon to a map of Scotland and drawing a new route, stirring only when an aide comes in with a cheque for him to sign. Then the anger fades away into something more like frustrated pity."

    Posted 6 years ago #

  21. neddie
    Member

    IWRATS, why are you mad about the council officers for the Transformation? From what I can see it looks OK.

    It's the George St plans that are infuriatingly weak... (Why the two projects are not linked / tied together, I do not know... TIE)

    Posted 6 years ago #

  22. wingpig
    Member

    The consultation-gathering department seems OK, as have been the councilpeople at consultations (whereas some of the external consultancy staff have come across a bit like they don't think a modern and vibrant city should have all these scruffy meatbags scurrying around it), but it's the traffic-modelling department which seems to be behind a lot of the BUT OTHERWISE BECAUSE SO NO whenever a chance to not build a multi-lane gyratory appears.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  23. unhurt
    Member

    Today in cognitive dissonance: a colleague has just returned from a work trip to another European capital. While there she managed to squeeze in some walking about the city centre, sightseeing & just decompressing. It was lovely, she said, so much nicer than walking in Edinburgh with all the car exhaust fumes and traffic.

    Well, I said, isn't that what we want to see happening in Edinburgh too? Restrictions on private cars in the centre of town?

    What? No!, she says. She NEEDS to drive into / through the centre of town.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  24. gembo
    Member

    @unhurt that phenomenon needs a new name - something about how the steps that need to be taken by collective humanity whilst acknowledged by the individual, nevertheless do not apply to the individual in question. But pithier. Probably named already or we could call in Unhurt Gembo Syndrome

    Posted 6 years ago #

  25. Snowy
    Member

    It really is a Thing and should certainly have a name. I've run into this countless times.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  26. Morningsider
    Member

    How about the "Grand-Place Paradox"? Hopefully captures British people's love of visiting cities with grand pedestrianised squares and old towns, but their dismay at any suggestion of such arrangements for their own cities or towns.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  27. crowriver
    Member

    @gembo, there's already a name for it surely? It's called "It'll never happen here!"
    In use for at least a century? See also: British exceptionalism.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  28. Arellcat
    Moderator

    @Morningsider, I like that. We might also have the "Citillogical Dichotomy" for our conscious planning for walking and cycling while unconsciously planning and building for motoring.

    Apropros of that, this paper on the fractal nature of cities is quite interesting.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  29. wingpig
    Member

    It's an aspect of the people-as-scenery theory. Each only-proper-real-actual-person has the right to do as they wish; indeed, as the only real being they are naturally the most important. All the supporting cast of their world should be more accommodating of the whims of their principal.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  30. gembo
    Member

    Mundane answer is Hypocrisy

    Posted 6 years ago #

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