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Cost of driving/rail

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  1. Smudge
    Member

    Sometime recently someone was arguing that it was cheaper to commute by car than rail, despite my frustration with Scotrail and my enjoyment of driving, here's a quick comparison for the Dunfermline - Edinburgh commute (as I used to do it ;-))

    Rail Dunf to Edinburgh:
    12 month season ticket £1404.00

    Car (Fuel only):
    Assuming 50mpg (Excessively generous for this type of stop/start commute)
    25m each way, 50 miles a day, 250 miles a week.
    Fuel £1.25 / l (till the next rise!) = £5.69 / Gal
    So, 5 x 5.69= £28.45 / week (petrol ONLY, not counting extra depreciation and wear from the 250 miles a week you are putting on the car)
    £28.45 x 48 weeks (assuming 3 weeks holiday and a week missing otherwise) = £1365.60.

    Ahah! You say, see, it’s cheaper… except that you now have to pay for 12,000 miles of oil, screenwash, bulbs, tyres, de-icer etc etc etc with £39.00

    So like for like, petrol for the car is roughly £40 a year cheaper than jumping on the train (except that it wont be with another 2.5% VAT, let alone a fuel price rise), if we discount wear and tear on your car, the inevitable traffic jams near the bridge, the fact that you’re almost certainly not achieving 50mpg most of the time and so forth, and of course we assume you have free parking all year.
    Even if we argue that the capital cost of your bicycle and equipment be included you’d still have to be travelling two to a car for a significant proportion of your journey to make any saving. Oh and have ONE breakdown or accident and your saving is gone.

    Of course rail/bike can have their inconveniences/costs, but they are nothing compared to the private cars costs.
    (at this rate I’ll have to give up my title of petrolhead! :-o )

    Posted 13 years ago #
  2. spitfire
    Member

    Not convinced in the slightest, it was my sums on another thread where I looked at the trainline price for a family of 3 to Ayr (with the inconvenience of time taken and going the wrong direction and having to change station in the rain with a toddler (really, no thanks) costs 3 times the petrol
    Ok factor in repairs and tax (sorry, Vehicle Excise Duty?) etc and it is still cheaper
    Oh and given the ASTRONOMICAL MOUNTAIN of presents said toddler has to open (that can't be left here don't-ask-me-why-I-just-live-here) would require the entire cargo hold of the train.
    Nuff said

    Posted 13 years ago #
  3. Smudge
    Member

    Lol, agreed, pricing for single journeys is farcical and I too would use the car for that. Indeed I chose the car today (and boy am I glad I did having 1. seen the state of the roads and 2. just heard from swmbo that Scotfail are using buses for the Edinburgh half of Queen St to Edinburgh... so if I'd taken the bike I'd have been stuck, again!)
    Another poster had argued for commuting being cheaper, which I would have to disagree with, I went from a bike doing a genuine 60mpg average to rail/cycle at my old house and broke even (but fitter and warmer and without a valueless bike every 2 - 3 years).

    Posted 13 years ago #
  4. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Rial pricing is often just too complicated for those who don't care to understand.

    I *thought* I was buying an open return (out Saturday, home Sunday) to Queen Street as the machine called it "standard anytime return". I knew I didn't want a day return (c. £11), and singles were £10.30 each, so I humphed and hawwed and coughed up the £18.10 for that ticket, assuming that the daylight robbery of a difference compensated ScotRail for the inconvenience of having me come home the following day.

    When I got to Queen Street on Sunday morning I found out that the machine had let me by a peak (i.e. now I realise what "anytime" mean) ticket that can only be used on a Saturday, when peak tickets don't apply. Brilliant I thought and got ready to dig ddep for a single.

    Then a nice lady came up to me and said "excuse me you look like you're going to Edinburgh, would you like the second half of my return? It was only an extra 50 pence and I don't need it".
    Sorted!

    It had been a "big" night and I felt as bad as I looked (or looked as bad as I felt). Maybe she thought from the smell of beer-reek that I was down on my luck and could do with some pity / charity at this time of year. Either way I was chuffed as it meant I got a free trip home crammed in the (3 carriage) train so tightly I couldn't get my hand down to my pocket to retrieve my phone.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  5. Smudge
    Member

    Rail pricing is an absolute nonsense, some of the websites are an improvement as you can try different options until you find something suitable, but it's still a mess. Fortunately swmbo comes from a railway family so can translate for me sometimes!

    Posted 13 years ago #
  6. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I vaguely remember that they brought in "any time" as a brand for tickets to bring clarity to the rightly confused rail punter. Having "any time" tickets that are in fact "one time" is downright misleading.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  7. steveo
    Member

    5 years at trainline do on occasion come in handy. I can speak train fare, well i could till they changed the structures the other year.

    Every time i try to price it up for any kind of journey train comes last. Luckily i don't need it for commuting.

    Posted 13 years ago #

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