No just one but two rivers.
Unusually we have the source, mouth and everything in between for one of them. Can anyone name another city able to claim such a thing about their rivers?
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Bottom of Lothian Road question
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Posted 6 years ago #
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@acsimpson, the source of the water of leith? Is that the river you mean? That is beyond HArperrig Reservoir. We do have it but west Lothian / south Lanarkshire may also wish to claim it? The source of The Clyde is not too far away. Ok not he source of the Clyde, that is a very windy river but flows north east from the lowther hills of highest Tarmac fame and almost reaches The apple pie bakery of carnwath
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Ah yes, checking again on the council atlas ( https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=9dfa229ba4004f7ca642ed3bd9702094) it appears I was wrong and that we don't have the entire river.
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Ah yes but what is the 'source' of a river?
The 'source' of the Tay is Loch Tay but the Dochart is clearly the Tay by any other name.
The 'source' of the Spey is Loch Spey and yet Loch A'an is bigger, higher and has greater outflow.
I propose that the source of a river is simply the highest point in its catchment. So the source of the Spey and the Dee is the summit of Ban Macdui and the source of the Tay is Ben Lawers but that knackers my Dochart = Tay thesis.
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Have you considered writing a tract?
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I'm liking Ben Lui as the source of the Tay. Then the Cononish and Fillan and Dochart become that river.
I'd do a pamphlet but I don't want to pass for a Flat Earther. True Sourcer movement. Perhaps the source is the highest point on the watershed rather than the highest point in the basin?
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Nice name for source of the Clyde is Watermeetings
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I think a source has to involve running water rather than just a rock of which water flows. So a spring or bog with a (normally) ever present flow which ends in the river.
Perhaps it should be the point furthest from the mouth but that would raise interesting questions such as half the Mississippi not being between it's source and it's mouth. Although that in itself is perhaps an error with the Missouri should be the real river.
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A couple of thoughts about the Rutland Street junction:
How about "advance traffic lights" on Lothian Road northbound, at the end of the bus lane (similar to what used to exist at the end of the westbound bus lane at Maybury), synchronised with the lights at the main Princes St junction but giving buses/bikes/taxis a 10 second head start over the general traffic lanes?
This would encourage taxis for the Caledonian Hotel to be in the correct lane for the junction, rather than swoop around, and would also give bikes and buses a chance to cross lanes more safely before reaching Princes St (the fact that cars, etc, have to cross paths over bikes and buses at the Lothian Road / South Charlotte St pair of junctions is particularly awkward, and not at all friendly for less assertive cyclists).
Alternatively, perhaps Rutland St could be made "exit-only" (apart from contra-flow cycling, of course), with inbound access for taxis, deliveries, etc (are there (m)any other "legitimate" motor vehicle uses for the street?) via the West Approach Road and Canning Street (if that would need alternating single file traffic lights (for motor vehicles) on the narrow section, perhaps arguably so much the better).
This would remove any conflicting movements at the junction, with exiting vehicles required to STOP before entering Lothian Road and only permitted to turn left to exit.
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Highest mapped water on Ben Lawers is 1110m against 1030m for Ben Lui.
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Yeah but Ben Lawers isn't on the watershed and I think maybe the source should be?
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...but https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-12243508
Ben Lui it is. With money to be found.
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For the record, we think that, as it is the most dominant tributary and also the longest, the answer is the Allt Coire Laoigh and, as no-one else seems too concerned, we are going to claim credit for redefining the true source of the River Tay.
Where were you seven years ago, @IWRATS?
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The discussion on sources of rivers convinces me that the concept of a single source is meaningless. The source of any river or burn, at any point, is the whole watershed from the point of interest.
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the concept of a single source is meaningless
It's clearly emotionally important. To some people. Though the basin concept is very satisfying.
Where were you seven years ago, @IWRATS?
Must have had more mundane matters on my mind. What was I even thinking?
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This thread (and most others) would drive the moderators of every other forum I've ever been a member completely nuts!
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the concept of a single source is meaningless
Where is the source of the traffic ending up at the bottom of Lothian Rd?
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@steveo the CCE motto should be Mors sive Digressio?
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@neddie they flow downhill from the watershed of the Hard Pressed Motorist Range, through the foothills of Law Abiding Taxpayer.
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@unhurt, about halfway down there used to be the rather idyllic Glen of Carefree Biking, but that was lost to modernity in the 1950s.
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