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Are route guides useful? Evidence?

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  • Started 5 years ago by rbrtwtmn
  • Latest reply from stiltskin

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  1. rbrtwtmn
    Member

    I've been chatting to a colleague about route descriptions/guides - as found in newspaper articles, on websites, in '100 rides' type books, on route cataloging services, and so on - are useful for getting people cycling. We were talking about whether these are useful for getting people out on their bike for the first time, or for supporting people new to cycling to get out again, or for new families to show them that there are nice rides in the vicinity.

    We're not sure what we think, have been debating hard, and would welcome opinions.

    Have you personally ever used such a route description/guide? Was this when new to cycling? What caught your attention about the guide? Why did it have this effect?

    Are such descriptions useful too for people who already cycle? Are they only useful for these people? Or only useful for those new to cycling? Or not useful for either group?

    A second part to this question is about what such a guide needs to tell people to be useful.

    My contention is that typical route grading isn't sufficient for people new to cycling. Am I right or wrong? Do 'easy' to 'hard' style ratings emphasise the idea of cycling as a sport - that there are 'cyclists' and non-cyclists? Or do they work well? The more we thought about this the more complex it became... people need advice about distance, but also hills, surface, and level of risk to traffic. Guides for a wide range of audiences get wordy - one person needs to know if they can take a 5 year old on a route, another whether there are any barriers to access, a third person needs to know if the gradient is ever above 15%, and a fourth needs to know if it's going to have nice views...

    Thoughts very welcome (please)

    Posted 5 years ago #
  2. sallyhinch
    Member

    I don't have any evidence for this, but I think they can be part of what might encourage someone to ride a bike - just by planting the seed, normalising it as something that people do, and putting cycling in front of people who are just reading the paper over breakfast. In which case the content hardly matters, just the fact that these lists are out there, especially in general publications rather than ones aimed at existing cyclists.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  3. paddyirish
    Member

    I think route suggestions are great - if you take them as what they are- suggestions. Being a slave to them is not a good idea. Not completing the route as laid out is not a sign of failure, but of an independent mind.

    I'd take a suggestion and ask myself

    how long would it take me to do it and do I have that time?If it seems a bit long, especially if I have kids- are there bailing out points- e.g. where could I cut a section out or get a train back from?

    Am I comfortable with the navigation- are there familiar landmarks- could I combine with something I already know?

    Are there decent spots to stop for a drink or a bite to eat? Sometimes that can give you a boost to get that last it done.

    If I want to take others, do I have time to ride it first or get familiar enough to lead?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  4. stiltskin
    Member

    When I started cyclung again the the early '90s I found the guides Harry Henniker used to do were really useful & inspiring. So for me, yes they certainly got me out exploring on the bike. In fact I still use his route to North Berwick as one of my standard ones.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  5. Frenchy
    Member

    In fact I still use his route to North Berwick as one of my standard ones.

    Which way does that go?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  6. stiltskin
    Member

    Essentially: Innocent-Musselburgh-Cockenzie-up the hill to the level crossing-Bangly Brae-Athelstaneford

    Posted 5 years ago #
  7. gembo
    Member

    @stiltskin, might do that coming back to lessen the headwind?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  8. rbrtwtmn
    Member

    (... keep the thoughts coming, this is useful...)

    Posted 5 years ago #
  9. paulmilne
    Member

    @stiltskin, I use that route to get to Dunbar as well. From Athelstaneford it's Gilmerton House, Markle Mains (another level crossing), fast hill down to East Linton, Preston Mill, ford over the Tyne at Knowes Farm, old A1 into Dunbar.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  10. stiltskin
    Member

    @gembo. Yes it is quite useful for that although a headwind is always a headwind. Actually, back in the day, I used to be so amazed at getting to North Berwick I usually caught the train home :-)

    Posted 5 years ago #

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