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I am becoming increasing disenchanted with Sustrans

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  • Started 5 years ago by I were right about that saddle
  • Latest reply from Frenchy

  1. crowriver
    Member

    @Rosie, well aye they don't have warriors brandishing swords on their backs. Indeed all you can see is their heads and necks. It's the sheer scale though, and the mythologising aspect to them, that I find unsettling.

    As for nationalism, whether civic or otherwise, the Kelpies have been used as a national symbol of sorts, vis:

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  2. wingpig
    Member

    I can see how mythologising something mythological could wind people up.

    I can verify an encouraging effect of the scrap-metal livestock and totem poles on the Kirkstead-Bardney bit of NCN1.

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  3. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I've applied for £4,000 to make a 50m high statue of William Wallace brandishing an AK-47 but get this - it'll have the Grangemouth gas flares coming out of the gun barrel!

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  4. wingpig
    Member

    @iwrats That'd go nicely with my suggestion to turn the Wallace Monument into a sort of water feature clock by having it spurt milk from its tip with the chiming of every hour, except with loudspeakered gasps of "Freedom!" in Mel Gibson's voice instead of bells.

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  5. gembo
    Member

    I like the pyramids on the M8 especially when the sheep are pink. Also the teletubby trumpet and The Heids beyongd Coatbrig' they are by David Mach and my favourite Heid is Terry.

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  6. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @wingpig

    We should exhibit these pieces as a pair.

    Untitled I, wingpig, 2019. Sandstone, wood, slate, glass, rubber, clocks, milk. On loan from Historic Scotland.

    Untitled II, IWRATS, 2019. Poured concrete, steel, copper, iron, brass, miscellaneous hydrocarbons, soot. On loan from private collection.

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  7. acsimpson
    Member

    My suggestion would be "The Barbeque" a 16 hour artistic event held somewhere on the NEPN. I'm sure you can imagine what this lifelike short term installation would entail and why at only £1000 it would represent such good value.

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  8. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Untitled III, acsimpson, 2019. Beer, warm meat, industrial cider, charcoal, dogs, sweat. On loan from the artist.

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  9. steveo
    Member

    Untitled III would actually be a useful tool in helping with engagement, especially if it was hosted at commuting time on a sunny afternoon.

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  10. paulmilne
    Member

    Good intelligent/accessible public art = art that I like.

    Rubbish public art appealing to plebs/snobs only = art I don't like.

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  11. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Untitled IV shall be an installation inspired by the dichotomy between one's willingness to embrace open spaces and public infrastructure and the thought processes that result in despoilment through litter, taking in this case an assortment of glass bottles, metal cans, plastic bags and excrement.

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  12. Rosie
    Member

    @crowriver - in that context no more than the Forth Bridges, which were the background for the 56/59 SNP MPs photos. They mean "identifiable place in Scotland, plus very dramatic." Different if it was a statue of Wallace or Bruce.

    "Forth Crossing - the finest man-made structure in Scotland - discuss."

    It's the sheer scale though, and the mythologising aspect to them, that I find unsettling.

    Imagine if they had been of Alex Salmond (shudder)!

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  13. acsimpson
    Member

    I have realised that I may have under-budgeted and If allowed would like to bid for extra to fund the bike-b-que. A cargo bike with grill on the front and pedal powered fridge on the back.

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  14. cb
    Member

    Scotland already has a fine William Wallace statue of course:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:William_Wallace_Statue.JPG

    This one might be a little better.

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  15. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Best Wallace statue is this one. Really quite sensitive for a Victorian bronze. Had quite a strong influence on me as a child.

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  16. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Holy cow, that 'Freeeeedooooom' statue is atrocious.

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  17. chdot
    Admin

    The statue was deeply unpopular, being described as "among the most loathed pieces of public art in Scotland"

    http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Wallace_Monument

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  18. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    turn the Wallace Monument into a sort of water feature clock by having it spurt milk from its tip with the chiming of every hour, except with loudspeakered gasps of "Freedom!" in Mel Gibson's voice

    That's far too metaphorical. People want literal. That's why Musselburgh's latest piece is a giant mussel shell.

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  19. wingpig
    Member

    Perhaps we should photoshop any future SNP-in-front-of-landmark photos we see so that they're standing in front of enormous versions of the DC Thomson character statues in Dundee (or make the SNP representatives all Pontypine-sized and photoshop them into a picture of the Dundee figures). Or replace the giant landmark with a ginormous Scottish Green MSP, for balance.

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  20. gembo
    Member

    There is a nice see sculpture of Alexander Selkirk in lower largo. Quite like the William Wallace one up the town in Stirling

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  21. gembo
    Member

    There is a nice wee statue of Alexander Selkirk in lower largo. Quite like the William Wallace one up the town in Stirling

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  22. chdot
    Admin

  23. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Or replace the giant landmark with a ginormous Scottish Green MSP, for balance.

    I would pay to see a massive steel Andy Wightman installed as the third Kelpie.

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  24. wingpig
    Member

    I forgot - there are some scrap metal sheep on the NCN 7 around Stanley. Also a couple of large figured made from old electrical transformers a bit further towards Consett and then a few random sculpture things in Consett itself.

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  25. chdot
    Admin

    Also on NC7, ‘early’ Andy Goldsworthy -

    https://www.sustrans.org.uk/news/volunteers-restore-goldsworthy-art

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  26. Arellcat
    Moderator

    I would pay to see a massive steel Andy Wightman installed as the third Kelpie.

    Third Kelpie already been done.


    Kelpies by Bill Kennedy, on Flickr

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  27. unhurt
    Member

    Expecting politicians (of any stripe) not to be photographed in front of well known / "iconic" structures / places seems hopeful. Unless we institute a "plain neutral coloured walls as backdrop only" policy - everything is political, after all. (Even - well, these days, perhaps especially - walls.)

    Meanwhile I have been enjoying the way that other (lesser?) cycling forums get narky with one another about helmets or vehicular cycling, but CCE gets riled up by public art projects.

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  28. gembo
    Member

    elitist us?

    pelf rollock yurt dweeb

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  29. Rosie
    Member

    Money and lack of imagination or political anxieties gives you a lot of public art which is a boulder with a plaque. I really would prefer the Wallace Braveheart (with the Andy Murray gob) to that. I can see people becoming fond of it over the years. It's not bland, anyway.

    The one I find very moving is the Scottish American WWI relief in Princes Street Gardens.

    https://canmore.org.uk/site/116463/edinburgh-west-princes-street-gardens-scottish-american-war-memorial

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  30. chdot
    Admin

    “CCE gets riled up by public art projects”

    “Riled up”

    Take that back AT ONCE.

    ‘We’ have genteel discussions...

    Posted 5 years ago #

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