Not a single party is telling the truth about their intentions. Not one.
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@IWRATS do you have a summary of what is being said versus their intentions as you perceive them?
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@jdanielp
Here is how I model these groups in my mental mainframe;
1) Conservatives: A complex mix of romantic English nationalism and off-the-scale Ayn Randian lunacy wrapped up in bourgeois reactionary toddler tantrums.
2) Brexit Ltd: Aim to install a military junta headed by the 7th Earl of Sidcup.
3) Labour: Determined to become Great Britain's biggest protest movement and have a really successful march and rally some time in 2022.
4) Lib Dems: Psy Ops to support (and if necessary enter into a coalition with) the Conservatives.
5) SNP: i) To maintain the coherence of the UK of GB&NI. ii) To campaign for Scottish independence as long as that doesn't risk i).
6) Scottish Greens - to be nice and right about things but not to risk actual power or consider that niceness and rightness aren't always the same thing.Actually I lied - there's one party that has impressed me and that's Sinn Féin. If they stood in Edinburgh South I'd be tempted.
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I'm doing my bit to subvert (divert?) the narrative, as many stories make claims about NHS ... when they actually mean NHS England, conflating all the NHS England shortcomings with our Scottish experience.
This of course offers the doorstep challenge, to say that clearly Scotland is an independent country and has never ceased to be such - after all its just a Union of Crowns in 1603 (and why Scots don't sing a certain verse of the National Anthem, plus regimental insignia &c for Scotland use ER rather the EIIR) then the Union of Parliaments in 1707 and associated financial gerrymandering. We retained Scottish Church, Judiciary, Land Registers, Company Regulation, .... etc, and in 1999 had a batch of restored powers for the reconvened Scottish Parliament, which have already delivered improved access legislation, and traffic laws.
Takes on a different perspective when Scottish Independence is rephrased as full restoration of powers to the current Scottish Parliament - very much the model for another union of some 28 parliaments, rather than our bastard version of the English Parliament somehow becoming the parliament of the British Union, at the expense of Scotland (1707) and Ireland (1801) and somehow absorbing Wales as well. Just don't ask about Kernow (near England) as one of their National businesses used to list their address.
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Scotland is an independent country and has never ceased to be such
I have news. You may wish to sit down.
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My internal paraphrasing of suspected party manifestoes includes "return country to feudalism but with fewer badgers and with hedge fund accumulation instead of army-raising" and "remain in defiant minority opposition to the rulers except where they don't actually go ahead and do the bad stuff".
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What was that 1970s post apocalypse telly show called where having a horse made you a big person? Survivors?
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I've always looked at elections in a +be note but this one seems to be about who will do less damage.
I think I've come to the conclusion at least the 4 day week and nationalisation can be undone by the next (hopefully more sensible) Govt, but Boris will f*!k us for decades.
What a horrible choice to have to contend with.
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@gembo
Survivors, yes. I still have anxiety dreams based on the children accidentally breaking the firing pin on their group's shotgun and not owning up.
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What's wrong with a four day week?
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What's wrong with a four day week?
It's not a three day week?
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The economy demands a six day week.
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What's wrong with nationalisation?
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The economy demands privatisation.
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Just six? For shame. "Spare" time is time you should spend optimising your CV, your useful (to employers) skill-set, your consumption habits. You must work and consume as much as possible lest the economy falter because of your personal failings.
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Any fule kno the seventh day is for:
a) - Shopping (preferably driving there in an SUV; or failing that, online)
b) - Visiting leisure facilities and visitor attractions in order to spend moneyDashed well unpatriotic to think otherwise!
Survivors: the ultimate middle class fantasy where all those unpleasant proletarians have miraculously died off, leaving a rugged rural idyll for horsey types and chunky knitwear aficionados residing in large farmhouses.
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Survivors: the ultimate middle class fantasy
I don't think it was to be fair.
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I think the people in the farmhouse had like hand knitted jumpers and ate vegetables so more your middle class tellytypes
the proles wernt dead in the tape in my head
they lurked outside waiting to pounce and eat you
probably added in some scenes from Shaun of the dead or similar
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One of the main characters in Survivors had a nice biscuit coloured Volvo 145 like my auntie's '68 model but hers had a vinyl roof.
She has a late '90s V70 now.
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Once a Volvo owner, always a Volvo owner.
Seems to run in families too...
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Baldcyclist, yes, my dad has had nothing else since '77, V70 now.
I had a VW as a hobby for a while but had a 240GL at the same time. S80 and V70 outside our house.
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If I recall correctly my parents had a volvo for a while. It was and remains the only one to have existed in my immediate family.
Does that make me a swing voter?
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@acsimpson, nope it makes you more likely to be a post-plague Survivor wearing chunky knitwear.
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First episode of Survivors sets the tone in leafy Home Counties Englandshire. Lead protagonist has a servant. Spot the biscuit coloured Volvo in the final sequence. Also Pete Bowles, he of To The Manor Born, in a cameo role. Also the eagle eyed may notice a poster for High Speed Trains earlier in the drama.
More Survivors chic below. First one is a bit Varsity Shooting Club; second more country types out to catch poachers on their land.
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Despite the poshness quotient Survivors is still a reasonably good watch. Although the characters do seem to spend quite a lot of time voicing the author's musings on societal collapse...
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I think it borrows a lot from John Christopher's The Death of Grass *shudder*.
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